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Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Paul (8th Jul 2023 - 18:03:29) Hi, Our Prime Minister says we cannot afford real pay rises to Civil Service jobs (which there are many types). Our Country is in heavily debt. The economy bumbling along nowhere as usual. European governments are also feeling same pain since the Pandemic, but are dealing with it better. We have alot of good people in our country with expertise to grow our country. Let it happen, rather than "talk about it". Raise money, sell of government assets (land and buildings). Also any silver spoons going...

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Sam (10th Jul 2023 - 08:18:06) Everyone was told this would happen, hide behind the pandemic excuses all you want, there is plenty of data from many reputable sources that very clearly show the UK is now on a different and lower trajectory to almost every other comparable economy and a much worse path that it would have been. Wiped out by hubris and lies

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Realist (10th Jul 2023 - 16:23:48) You must be joking, Germany in recession, Dutch government ousted, France in deep trouble, all EU struggling. We are doing well compared. We can determine our future and we are getting on with trading around the world give it time.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Joe (10th Jul 2023 - 23:39:42) According to all news reports recently we are not doing as well as other European countries. They may be struggling yes, but we are struggling more. I do not know where the above poster has got their information from but the trade deals we are getting are not comparable to the deals we benefited from formerly, by being part of the EU.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Pete (11th Jul 2023 - 08:25:07) Realist- For someone who goes under the name of Realist you have a shockingly bad grasp of reality.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Simon (11th Jul 2023 - 08:41:03) How much longer do we need to give it, Realist?

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Craig (11th Jul 2023 - 08:46:36) So, a serious question. If you had no family or work ties to the UK, which European country would you rush to live in ? It's all very well bashing the UK, whilst in reality enjoying the conditions we generally have. I hope all of you complaining about the UK at least do volunteer work to help other people in the community. If you don't, why not ?

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Realist 2 (11th Jul 2023 - 10:01:03) I think you will find that the country most people are scrambling to get into, even if it involves illegal and sometimes dangerous crossings by boat from France, is the UK. Even though being already in the France, they could quite easily drive around to any of the other European countries mentioned. So what is still to this day, the ever increasing pull of England? It is the fact that we in this country are still known to have the richest lifestyles, social services, NHS and schools anywhere, overall. We look after everybody even new arrivals better than any other country, with cash, houses, training, jobs, we bail out failing industries with hundreds of billions of cash, you name it, very few can afford that, let's stop trying to pretend we are all poor, we are all privileged and even if our privelege has balanced out slightly since Covid, that's something we wanted, remember, not to be out there as the ones with everything? So either we're still very rich and privileged (which I'd argue we still are) or we're no longer quite as rich and privileged which several years ago our teens were all burning the streets and demanding happened! Well great, maybe it's happening, now enjoy it!

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Realist (11th Jul 2023 - 10:02:21) Very good point Craig I certainly would not want to live in any EU country. It’s so funny why people run down their own country it only seems to happen here other countries wave their flags and defend their country funny old thing . And why do all the emigrants want to come here from the EU ?? .

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Ian (11th Jul 2023 - 12:33:23) This country is broken, you’re in denial or stupid if you cannot see it. Would seriously consider moving overseas given opportunity, if for no other reason than escaping the idiocy that have taken over the UK! (Just waiting now for the inevitable nationalist “if you don’t like it here then get lost” response

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Dave (11th Jul 2023 - 13:45:00) @ realist - in response to " And why do all the emigrants want to come here from the EU ?? ." Because they realise the UK has become a soft touch for illegal immigration, benefit fraud and the workshy. The average hardworking British national is completely unrepresented by local and national government who seem obsessed with token political initiatives that pander to all the minority groups. Our education and health service (to me, the two most important aspects of the UK) are no longer fit for purpose.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Realist (11th Jul 2023 - 14:06:07) Ian I think you are the one that should open your eyes this country is way way ahead we are just about governing ourselves at last FREE of the corrupt EU . We can go forward and show them the way.Ian why don’t you give another country a try.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Pete (11th Jul 2023 - 15:01:19) Realist- Not knocking the country, just the self serving people that are attempting and not succeeding to run it. As for why do all the immigrants come here, they don't try educating yourself as to what is really going on in the world rather than repeating the same old rhetoric (lies). Dave- One of the major reasons the NHS is in freefall is because it cannot get the staff. It relies on immigration to fill staffing levels. Lastly I had to laugh out loud at the "Corrupt EU" are you really that ignorant of the rampant corruption in our own political system, I suppose the comfort of your own echo chamber means you cant see it.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Ian (11th Jul 2023 - 15:14:06) Realist, I am in the privileged position of having lived in a number of European countries (and further afield) so unlike many I can talk from experience. I love England and there is so many positives I decided to retire here. However in recent years the country has gone wrong in so many ways and burying your head in blinkered nationalistic pride is not going to fix it. Much of Europe, despite global problems, are experiencing a better lifestyle than we are. Just because you say we’re the best country to live in doesn’t make it so! Wake up,!

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - passfield resident (11th Jul 2023 - 16:08:02) Realist-one point-our health service isn't the best in Europe. By every measure you could come up with Germany, for example, has better health provision. If I didn't have ties here (and a love for this country which makes me angry at the way we have been lied to by politicians recently) I would certainly prefer to live in a number of other countries. Have you had extensive experience of living in other countries which leads you to be so sure of yourself?

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Sam (12th Jul 2023 - 16:50:54) Realist does have access to the internet yet chooses not to research and validate anything. To copy your opening… I think you will find The UK is not number 1 or 2 let alone 3 on almost every valid metric of estimate of both immigrants coming here, wanting to come here or even settling here when it comes to EU countries. We wouldn’t be in the top 10 if it wasn’t for the plunder and robbery of the empire and the spread of the English language in the first place. This whole immigration story is one being fed to you to distract you from more pressing concerns like the shameful state of political leadership we are under whereby truth is no longer important. Step outside the opinion we have of ourselves and see it from that of others, I can assure you as I travel and spend a lot of time working in other countries… the UK, and England specifically is a laughing stock, a rapidly sinking ship It didn’t have to be this way, we used to be a lot better than this.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Joe (14th Jul 2023 - 07:30:09) Realist 2 I do not agree this country “looks after everybody” - I have to currently wait 3 weeks for my gps surgery to do a simple blood test when there are 3 nurses employed there. Also some years back items which would have been prescribed are not. I get sent Amazon links for medical items I need to buy them myself, and I am not a private patient. Also my occupational pension has not increased by more than one per cent per year but price rises on everything have risen by almost 10 per cent. I do not consider my pension which I paid for myself as being “ looked after” .

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Countryman (14th Jul 2023 - 10:40:08) I love this country of ours best place in the world can’t see why people bash it so all you people that hate it so you do have another choice move.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - IGS (14th Jul 2023 - 10:54:38) Despite the hard work of all the staff involved in the NHS locally, my experiences at both the local surgeries and Royal Surrey over the last 2 weeks have highlighted to me just how broken the NHS is. The country is in a mess, its getting worse, not better, and saying otherwise is delusional.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Susie (14th Jul 2023 - 13:17:05) Re local health care @ IGS - sorry to hear that. But I’ve recently attended the community hospital in Haslemere minor injuries dept after sustaining a nasty injury and on two separate occasions,was treated quickly and with great respect by knowledgeable staff. I waited only a short time to be seen,x rayed,diagnosed and given a px,with advice,on both occasions. It is a great resource,is well staffed,clean,easy to park and free! I also saw others being attended to promptly and all with care. This was I might add after being unable to get an appointment quickly at the local GP surgery,who would quite likely have sent me there anyway. After making calls to the surgery & Put on hold for 14 minutes,call dumped and no return call,I gave up. All is not lost yet,we are fortunate to have community hospitals close by where walk ins without appointments are treated quickly.Many regions around the country have lost these facilities.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Penny Williamson (14th Jul 2023 - 15:45:09) I too would like to echo Susie's comments. I have had excellent service both at Grayshott Surgery, The Royal Surrey, Haslemere Hospital and Petersfield Hospital over the years, not just for me but members of my family. Conversely when I was in the States and suffered from "trigger" finger (lucky I was insured) I was charged £1,000 for the X-ray and the whole bill amounted to over £3,000 and that was 7 years ago. Another friend of mine dislocated her shoulder on the first day of her holiday in Mexico. She was still in terrible pain when the ambulance arrived at the hospital and the paramedics would not let her out of the ambulance until her husband had paid them as the ambulance was run by a private company (nothing to do with the hospital). To compound that no treatment was offered until my friend's husband had paid up front. His insurance policy was back at the hotel and they didn't trust him! Also in the States a friend of mine broke her wrist and fireman at the scene offered to take her to hospital. Her son said no he would drive her as it was 10 minutes' away. Later he found out that if the fireman had taken her it would have cost £1,000. That was never mentioned when they offered the transportation. Their total bill amounted to over £4,000. These are all true stories so while I know the NHS is not perfect (for which IMO the grossly overpaid management and Chief Executives are largely to blame) it is 100% better than many other countries.

Re: Is our U.K. economy seriously doomed? - Russ (14th Jul 2023 - 16:16:45) Totally agree Penny same experience abroad, here I had a heart attack late at night on a Saturday in a matter of minutes an ambulance was at my house, I was taken to frimley park hospital operated on by a standby team; here to tell the tail no cost involved we are so so lucky to have such a wonderful NHS . It’s NOT broken.

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