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Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Kat (23rd Jan 2014 - 16:59:42) Just picked up my copy of the Liphook Herald and see that Councillor Trotter was caught building unlawfully at Bohunt Manor. I see Councillor Trotter is a member of the Justice and Anti-Corruption Party like Councillor Jerrard and his other Councillor friend from Greatham. Must look at the minutes of the parish planning meeting to see if Councillor Jerrard chaired the meeting and voted for his Justice and Anti Corruption Party friends application. Anti Corruption, what a joke. And they have the audacity to represent members of the community!

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Kevin (23rd Jan 2014 - 23:30:39) Is this guy for real, it might even get refused! Come on Mr Trotter you should know better than that, surely you should be setting an example. According to the paper, flouting the planning laws and speaking out against the lawful application of others, tut, tut, tut.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - H (24th Jan 2014 - 12:44:26) Perhaps as it is a conservatory which does not need any permission normally it is more of an oversight rather than deliberate corruption? I would ask the readers of this blog to think Did I put plans in to the council and apply for planning permission for my conservatory, before you condemn Councillor Trotter as a major criminal? I assume that putting plans in is quite costly in the region of a few hundred pounds per application? Conservatories do not usually have to go through the planning process.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - drew (24th Jan 2014 - 13:22:51) H With respect, since you sit on the planning committee for B&LPC I would expect you to know better or, at the very least, to have investigated the situation properly prior to building your conservatory. You're in a position of authority on the council and have the power to influence other's applications so you really should be beyond reproach for something like this. In all seriousness, you should stand down from the planning committee.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - bdavies (24th Jan 2014 - 13:44:47) Of course you need planning permission for a conservatory! You are adding to living space and if the dimensions take the overall area beyond the permitted property extension allowance it is subject to scrutiny. I agree with other posts, anyone on the Council should be setting an example. If in doubt check, it doesn't cost that much.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Ann (24th Jan 2014 - 16:30:31) Hear, hear People in glass houses should not throw stones. Pot & kettle!!! A member of a council should know the rules, if not he should not be on the council and certainly have nothing to do with planning.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Maria (24th Jan 2014 - 17:12:09) PARISH COUNCIL COMMITTEES AND REPRESENTATIVES – 2012/2013 See above link....Cllr Trotter does not sit on the Planning committee. That is a year old so could be out of date, to be fair

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - drew (24th Jan 2014 - 17:24:23) Maria - that's a fair point, however if you look at the minutes for the Planning Committee last year he attended quite a few of the meetings. If he's not on the Committee itself he seems fairly heavily, and regularly, involved.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - peter (24th Jan 2014 - 18:12:38) I think that we should give Councillor Trotter the benefit of the doubt and let him explain himself. BTW I have never heard of the JUSTICE and ANTI CORRUPTION PARTY. is this Mr Trotter's party are they national

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Maria (24th Jan 2014 - 18:43:03) Attending a meeting and being on the committee are surely two different things? Anyone can attend a planning meeting but only those on the committee can vote. I'm not supporting his actions just saying that he doesn't seem to be on the planning committee.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Andy (24th Jan 2014 - 20:08:46) Whether he's on the committee or not, surely he should be expected to perform due diligence regarding anything he does that could require planning permission (such as building a conservatory), seeing as he's a Parish Councillor? If he isn't on the planning committee then why does he attend the meeting so regularly? And, having attended so regularly, shouldn't he know better?

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Chris (24th Jan 2014 - 23:01:50) It costs £25 for a prep-planning advice at EHDC. Al you have to do is outline your proposal and give the address of the site. You will then know for sure. I'd be astonished that this wasn't known beforehand and ignorance of this is no excuse. Everyone else is expected to comply so hard luck!

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - H (25th Jan 2014 - 12:21:47) Hi neither councillor Trotter nor h are on the planning committee. since this thread was started by a journalist on the petersfield post(kat) I think the motives for the thread are suspect to say the least. And no conservatories do not need planning permission, unless they are massive. I know of at least 5 people locally who have not applied for planning permission when building a conservatory

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Ann (25th Jan 2014 - 14:57:27) Up until recently planning permission has been required for the erection of conservatories and those who had them built without permission will find that this could be a problem when they come to sell, if not before, if the necessary paperwork is not in place. I know from personal experience. However under the new Permitted Development Rights there may be instances when permission is not needed, but I think this depends on where the conservatory is located in relation to the property and size etc etc., so some will still need permission while others may not. It is always wise to check and Mr Trotter as a sitting councillor should know this. Our councillors should set a good example and understand the basics.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - Keith (25th Jan 2014 - 15:20:12) H - just because you know of several people who have built a conservatory without planning permission does not mean that planning permission is/was not required - I know of several people who regularly drive at over 30mph in a 30mph limit, that does not mean that they are driving within the law... A lot depends on the size of the conservatory and it's position (if it's at the rear of the property then generally planning permission is not required, but if it is at the side or the front of the property then planning permission is required). There are also rules depending on the size of the conservatory relative to the existing building and also the curtilage of the site. There are also stricter rules if the property is within the National Park (which I suspect Bohunt Manor is given the fuss about the possible future developments at Bohunt Manor), or within a conservation area. So the simple answer is that Cllr Trotter should have checked with EHDC and/or SDNP before starting work. Whether he knew he should have done or not is not relevant - ignorance is no defence in law.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - A. Ryan (25th Jan 2014 - 17:20:42) www.planningportal.gov.uk › . Planning Permission This guidance reflects increases to the size limits for single-storey rear extensions which apply between 30 May 2013 and 30 May 2016, and the associated neighbour consultation scheme. Adding a conservatory to your house is considered to be permitted development, not needing an application for planning permission, subject to the limits and conditions listed below. No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings. No extension forward of the principal elevation or side elevation fronting a highway. No extension to be higher than the highest part of the roof. Single-storey rear extension must not extend beyond the rear wall of the original house* by more than three metres if an attached house or by four metres if a detached house. In addition, outside Article 1(5) designated land* and Sites of Special Scientific Interest the limit is increased to 6m if an attached house and 8m if a detached house until 30 May 2016. These increased limits (between 3m and 6m and between 4m and 8m respectively) are subject to the neighbour consultation scheme. Maximum height of a single-storey rear extension of four metres. Extensions of more than one storey must not extend beyond the rear wall of the original house* by more than three metres or be within seven metres of any boundary opposite the rear wall of the house. Maximum eaves height of an extension within two metres of the boundary of three metres. Maximum eaves and ridge height of extension no higher than existing house. Side extensions to be single storey with maximum height of four metres and width no more than half that of the original house. Roof pitch of extensions higher than one storey to match existing house. No verandas, balconies or raised platforms. On designated land* no permitted development for rear extensions of more than one storey; no cladding of the exterior; no side extensions. * The term "original house" means the house as it was first built or as it stood on 1 July 1948 (if it was built before that date). Although you may not have built an extension to the house, a previous owner may have done so. * Designated land includes national park Building Regulations Building regulations will generally apply if you want to build an extension to your home. However, conservatories are normally exempt from building regulations when: They are built at ground level and are less than 30 square metres in floor area. The conservatory is separated from the house by external quality walls, doors or windows. There should be an independent heating system with separate temperature and on/off controls. Glazing and any fixed electrical installations comply with the applicable building regulations requirements (see below). You are advised not to construct conservatories where they will restrict ladder access to windows serving rooms in roof or loft conversions, particularly if any of the windows are intended to help escape or rescue if there is a fire. Any new structural opening between the conservatory and the existing house will require building regulations approval, even if the conservatory itself is an exempt structure.

Re: Councillor Trotter's Planning Application - peter (25th Jan 2014 - 19:50:49) I just got the Herald and it says that this councillor was forced to put in a planning application so he must have done something wrong. More sickening was the fact that it says he objected to our football club putting in the application for the clubhouse. Who does he think he is I wonder

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