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Indication on roundabout(s) - Terry (4th Sep 2016 - 18:46:51) Drivers in Liphook are starting to become more dangerous! Please indicate on roundabouts for other drivers and pedestrians crossing the road.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Paul (5th Sep 2016 - 07:33:43) I couldn't agree more Terry, I'm convinced they can't be teaching roundabouts when learning to drive anymore! Very few people seem to know the rules of driving on them!!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - P Weyland (5th Sep 2016 - 08:29:46) Was only thinking about this yesterday! Seems to be the worst offenders are turning left from the Square onto Haslemere Rd (by Inwood Stoves) Would be interested to film an hour of footage and see just how many don't indicate.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Jaybee (5th Sep 2016 - 09:01:24) I also agree, as well as not indicating people drive over the roundabouts, not around them.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - joc (5th Sep 2016 - 09:50:06) Watch out for motorists turning left off Midhurst Rd into Sainsbury's, hardly an indicator in site.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Jonathan (5th Sep 2016 - 12:50:45) An annoyance of mine too - and I don't think it's youngsters, mostly middle-aged to older drivers from my observations! Not to mention the person who swore at my wife when she was turning right from the square into London Road the other day... The person seemed to think they had right of way coming from Longmoor Road, plus my wife was already on the roundabout anyway.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Mrs A J Loftis (6th Sep 2016 - 13:27:11) Jeanne Perhaps it would be a help if were reminded of the correct procedure. When I was learning to drive I was instructed to drive into position and indicate off roundabout. Is this still correct?

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Sam (6th Sep 2016 - 13:49:24) Well said everyone. It drives me potty every day. I was beginning to think car manufacturers aren't putting indicators on cars anymore! We have rather more roundabouts than most villages I imagine - please please stop being so lazy and use your indicators!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Jonathan (6th Sep 2016 - 17:22:46) Rules 184-190 of the Highway Code refer to roundabouts: www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/... With this being a useful aide memoire graphic: For reference, Rule 186 covers indicating at/on roundabouts: Rule 186 Signals and position. When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise signal left and approach in the left-hand lane keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave. When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise signal right and approach in the right-hand lane keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want. When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise select the appropriate lane on approach to and on the roundabout you should not normally need to signal on approach stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want. When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Paul (6th Sep 2016 - 17:55:51) Well done Johnathon, Everyone should study that. The lack of indication drives me nuts, as does when everyone just sits on the roundabouts staring at each other as no one knows who has right of way to go round them! Not just a Liphook issue of course, but with so much traffic converging on two such busy roundabouts it's infuriating!!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - tony (6th Sep 2016 - 19:45:25) The way I see it mini roundabouts have slightly different rules to normal big roundabouts. I believe that some of the rules for minis are: 1) You MUST indicate on approach to show which way you are turning (unless going straight over), but not to show which way you are leaving (you wouldn't have time and it could be misleading) 2) You must treat them a bit like a T junction in that respect 3) You should not use them to U-turn and exit the way you came if it will confuse other drivers (very dangerous, my pet hate when people indicating to turn right, ignore the car waiting to enter from that turning and swing rudely round into a U-turn nearly causing a crash 4) You can legally mount the centre with offside wheels (on some you can't avoid it) but you shouldn't deliberately cross it on the wrong side 5) You should slow down but not stop at a mini roundabout unless there is traffic coming from your right or indicating to cross you or you feel it's dangerous, again in that regard they are intended to be treated similar to T-junctions and keep traffic flowing as much as possible, to stop unnecessarily is dangerous to the traffic behind which won't be expecting you to and jams things up 6) Traffic gives way to the right and takes priority over that on it's left, but in reality this only works IF people indicate appropriately 7) If someone is turning right and doesn't indicate that's dangerous 8) If someone is turning left and doesn't indicate that is disrespectful and selfish meaning nobody knows where you're going so everyone will have to stop (which is annoying and dangerous for reason 5 above!) 9) If it's somebody's turn to go and they don't go that's just annoying!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - GG (6th Sep 2016 - 19:56:30) Thank you for posting up the illustration Jonathan. It is annoying, but I'm sure we've all been guilty of not indicating at a roundabout at some point, especially when you're unsure as to where you are going. As irritating as it is, I found Rule 185 of the Highway Code interesting:- " * watch out for all other road users already on the roundabout; be aware they may not be signalling correctly or at all" So it is good practice to anticipate that a driver on a roundabout isn't indicating correctly. I was very lucky to have been trained to ride a motorcycle at a Police backed training school. One of the best tips they ever gave me was to ride with a view that I was invisible. It really helps in situations like mini-roundabouts. If you're expecting every driver not to indicate, it is a lot less irritating and a lot safer.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - liz (7th Sep 2016 - 08:17:25) Thanks Jonathan - good graphic. Presumably everyone is still taught this when they learn to drive? I think Tony has made up his own rules - generally that is what causes problems as it makes your driving unpredictable!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Ian (7th Sep 2016 - 08:32:35) It would probably help if a lot of drivers weren't on their mobiles at the same time as trying to negotiate the roundabouts!! It is also sensible to slow down as well and anticipate that a significant number of drivers will not indicate their intentions

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Lizzy (7th Sep 2016 - 19:08:37) Thanks for your aide memoirs graphic, seriously. It would be great, though, if there were some similar instructions, rules, suggestions for mini-roundabouts with 3 single carriageway approach and exit roads, like those by Lloyds Bank and The Anchor Garage. If everyone's indicating right, then who's right of way is it?

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - tony (7th Sep 2016 - 19:27:43) liz, nothing 'made up' these rules were given by my driving instructor and are correct. Mini roundabouts have different rules to major ones, which rules are you operating by??? Are you someone out there who drives and doesn't understand roundabouts, because none of this should be a 'revelation' to you!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - tony (7th Sep 2016 - 19:29:52) Lizzy, that's called a Mexican Standoff. And liz, could perhaps tell you what to do then!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Jonathan (7th Sep 2016 - 20:58:48) Tony, mini roundabouts do not have different rules: Rule 188 Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this. Rule 189 At double mini-roundabouts treat each roundabout separately and give way to traffic from the right. Rule 190 Multiple roundabouts. At some complex junctions, there may be a series of mini-roundabouts at each intersection. Treat each mini-roundabout separately and follow the normal rules. Lizzy: For 3-exit mini roundabouts then I would indicate left or right as appropriate (i.e. if the exit you want is before 12 o'clock, indicate left, if after 12 o'clock indicate right). In both cases in Liphook - by Lloyds or by the garage - then I think folk should indicate either left or right when approaching from any direction.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - J (7th Sep 2016 - 21:17:52) Thanks Jonathan for quoting the Highway Code and the site it's taken from, much better than hearsay. For those wondering about Mini roundabouts, why not have a read? It says: Rule 188 Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Lizzy (7th Sep 2016 - 22:22:50) Hi Jonathan and J Thanks for all the Highway Code, which, to be honest all drivers should know, even if some chose to ignore or are too stupid to adhere to. However, unless I'm being really silly, this doesn't answer my question. Who has right of way if all 3 cars are indicating right? Is there an answer? The one that got there first, I believe.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Lizzy (8th Sep 2016 - 00:36:49) Hi Editor, And if all three cars arrive at the roundabout at the same time? He/she who dares, wins.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - liz (8th Sep 2016 - 08:59:18) Thanks once again Jonathan for clarity for everyone. Tony, I said nothing about a revelation - just that I thought that's what everyone was taught! - I think your driving instructor may need an update......

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - D (8th Sep 2016 - 09:00:51) With all roundabouts you give way to vehicles ON the roundabout coming from your right, NOT vehicles waiting to enter the roundabout on your right. If more people understood that then you wouldn't have the stand off in the first place and traffic would flow easier. The white line across the carriageway is a Give Way line not a stop line so you don't have to stop if no one is ON the roundabout, coming from your right who will cross your path (the reason you SHOULD be indicating). Signal your intention, keep your speed down and confidentiality go AROUND the roundabout, not over it (if your vehicle is not too large).

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - tony (8th Sep 2016 - 09:32:32) I doubt it liz, but would be interesting to hear from a driving instructors perspective either way. Fact is that mini roundabouts do have different rules to big roundabouts, for example whilst you enter in the same way, you never indicate to leave, do you? All my driving instructor said about mounting the raised circle is that you won't fail on a small narrow mini roundabout (like in Liphook say by the chemist) if your offside wheels go onto it, you are more likely to fail if you nervously take a very wide (and perhaps confusing to other motorists) slow sweep around it. In fact a confident driver who indicates appropriately and keeps flowing is preferable to a nervous driver doing 1mph who indicates on and off and spends all their concentration desperately trying not to touch the white circle. You get my drift. And the Highway Code is just that a code to act a guide, it is not the Road Traffic Act (that is the law here) and in the real world you are follow traffic signs and drive the road you see, not the road you read about. Which road sign says you can't touch the circle? This thread was about indicating before you enter the roundabout, just make sure you do that and stop worrying about me touching the white circle.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - liz (8th Sep 2016 - 12:52:45) Tony As I said - you (and now it seems your instructor also) make your own rules! You must be two of the people who drive out of the Headley Rd and across the middle of the roundabout towards the Square, overtaking traffic already on the roundabout travelling south on London Road! But hey, as we all make our own rules that must be fine!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Dick (8th Sep 2016 - 15:45:27) Apart from obeying the Highway Code (and being courteous), if everybody signalled it would speed up the flow of traffic around the village. If the car coming from your right is signalling you either stop or drive on, not dither deciding whether it is turning right or passing in front of you!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - tony (8th Sep 2016 - 17:15:05) "As I said - you (and now it seems your instructor also) make your own rules! You must be two of the people who drive out of the Headley Rd and across the middle of the roundabout towards the Square, overtaking traffic already on the roundabout travelling south on London Road!" liz, you are hardly worth talking to, but my final words to you, I may be right or wrong, but why accuse me of making stuff up? (just childish). Why make up stuff about me? (even more childish). Contrary to your ill phrased grammar and sentence construction, I am not one of those people who overtake on a roundabout from the Headley Road, let alone "two of them"??? Have a nice day making more stuff up.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - liz (9th Sep 2016 - 08:17:01) Tony I think resorting to personal insults shows desperation. At least it is my grammar at fault not my driving, much safer that way! Perhaps you would like to correct my grammar and tell me what I should have said. Always willing to learn from an expert!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Brian (9th Sep 2016 - 15:18:39) Some good advice on this thread. If people indicated and went round the roundabout then this would increase the capacity and everyone would get through faster and safer. The scenario I sometimes find is when two cars face each other at opposite ends of the roundabout and both signal right. Both enter the roundabout at similar times and everything should be fine if both go round the middle circle. The problem arises when one driver decides he is going to go across the middle and create a near misshit. This leads to some drivers treating the roundabout as if only one car is allowed on at the same time. There is a lot of confusion regarding how to treat mini roundabouts and perhaps there would be some benefit in having some signs to let drivers know they should drive around the circles. I know this should not be necessary but then again ...

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Abby (9th Sep 2016 - 16:18:32) I am curious about one thing I have noticed, why do many people go straight over the mini roundabout from London Rd to the Longmoor Rd signalling right? Can anyone shed some light on this strange phenomenon!!!

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Janet (9th Sep 2016 - 20:56:33) They probably signal right because they want to ensure that drivers approaching the roundabout on their left (ie from the roundabout by Lloyds Bank) don't assume that they are turning left towards Haslemere Road and pull out in front of them.

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - The Joy (12th Sep 2016 - 21:04:19) I wondered if the steering wheel karake chop was in the highway code to go straight on lol

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - J (13th Sep 2016 - 09:20:10) Ha! I don't suppose the "Liphook Chop" is in the highway code, but it does help differentiate between "I'm going straight over" and "I'm a twit who doesn't indicate on roundabouts" :P

Re: Indication on roundabout(s) - Alan (13th Sep 2016 - 09:31:31) It does appear to be fairly legitimate - see "Arm signals to persons controlling traffic" learnerdriving.com/learn-to-drive/...

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