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Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Trevor Maroney (4th Jul 2018 - 10:56:57)

I asked the following questions of EHDC on 19th June Community Forum meeting. These were minuted as follows:

Mr Maroney enquired as to when the Aitken Report Traffic Survey for
Liphook would be released and asked how the £1.75 million of developer contributions in lieu of providing affordable housing on the Bramshott Place Village development would be spent.


Yesterday I received the following answer to what was supposed to be an independent traffic survey for Liphook:

Liphook Traffic Survey:

The study was commissioned by East Hampshire District Council and conducted by Hampshire County Council as the highway authority through the consulting engineers Atkins because it is essentially a highways issue.

The report was received before being returned to be put into plain English, as it was more along the lines of a technical document. When received again it was felt that it needed further work, so was returned once more. The final version has now been received and is with HCC for perusal and comment. It will then be subject to comments from the local District Councillors before being made public. Only the final version will be made public.


Sadly I still cannot tell you when this urgent report will be published or what the first real "independent" report contained or how it will differ from the third final version. What is being kept hidden from us, and why has it taken so long?

I will post EHDC's answer to my second question separately.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- helen (4th Jul 2018 - 11:57:41)

So what you are saying is that the report will be doctored to suit HCC and EhDC ? Why did they bother? I suspect it will become part of the emerging " EHDC local plan " before the public see it!

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Adrian (4th Jul 2018 - 15:35:19)

People need to wake up, the traffic in Liphook is bad now, just think how many people will be coming to liphook to catch the train from Bordon 4,000+ houses being built on the army land alone and any new developments cannot be refused i know of a 100 house estate being built, Mill chase will be demolished soon and housing built, applications are in for parts of the forest centre for housing and the owner is a company known for buying places getting planning permission and selling out.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Penny (5th Jul 2018 - 13:25:25)

I repeat what I said in my post on "Reasons for lack of Social Housing in Liphook." Mr Maroney please contact one or all three of your very approachable and hardworking district councillors, namely Angela Glass, Rebecca Standish or Bill Mouland.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Steve Miller (5th Jul 2018 - 14:00:02)

Trevor
Surely a Freedom of Information request should compel EHDC to release the original 'technical report'? I cannot think of any legitimate reason for it being withheld.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- helen (5th Jul 2018 - 14:43:26)

Penny if you read the original post from Trevor, he addressed both questions in person to the councillors personally who were at a community forum meeting. They declined to answer on the spot, so both
written replies have come from EHDC with the sanction of our local councillors. So he has already asked them the questions in person.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Penny (5th Jul 2018 - 15:32:45)

Helen, Trevor Maroney asked the questions on the 19th June at a Public Meeting and you state in your post that the councillors present declined to answer on the spot. I assume you were at the meeting if you know this as Mr Maroney did not state this in his post. On 3 July he received a reply in writing to both questions which he has published on this website. If he is not satisfied with the answers and has further queries he should be addressing them directly to one our district councillors or take the matter up with EHDC. It is pointless posting on Liphook Talkback as the people who can help namely the district councillors or the officers at EHDC may not see his posts. If he really wants answers instead of stirring up trouble then contact the people who can help.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- helen (5th Jul 2018 - 16:29:07)

Hi Penny,
the community forum minutes are on the EHDC website. The minutes show the list of attendees of the panel. The Community Forum is run by the district councillors of EhDC. Mr Maroney has asked his questions already of our district councillors he is merely alerting the greater public as to the replies. As our councillors draw allowances and expenses from the public purse, indeed a list of which meetings they do or do not attend is also on EhDCs website, they are also expected to make wise
descisions with council tax income, that is why most meetings are in public in order that they can be questioned on their decisions.
Holding elected represtentatives to account helps ensure democracy surely?

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey
- Trevor Maroney (6th Jul 2018 - 12:27:23)

The Atkins Liphook Traffic Survey has finally been published. It recommends a further assessment be undertaken on the double mini-roundabouts in The Square.

You may recall that earlier proposals to widen the access roads to the Square were rejected because it's in a conservation area. This is hardly a ringing endorsement for building Lowsley Farm Phase 2 housing development.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Ian (6th Jul 2018 - 20:13:46)

Although of course Trevor when they build phase 2 at Lowsley Farm you will get the social/affordable housing you are bleating on about on other posts. As I said elsewhere you are all over the place and have lost all credibility

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Trevor Maroney (9th Jul 2018 - 12:31:26)

The Atkins Liphook Traffic Survey will have no impact on Lowsley Farm, the housing development will go ahead regardless. The developers has agreed to pay £1.3 million to overcome traffic issues after its own traffic survey acknowledged that The Square was already at almost full capacity at peak times.

On the planning permission files (34310/029) there is a Committee Report dated 13th April 2016, drawn up for EHDC’s planning meeting on 21st April 2016, confirming this. Those who attended the meeting may recall that Russell Ellis, Cllr. Jeanette Kirby and Cllr. Bill Mouland spoke about this development making traffic congestion in The Square even worse.

For ease of reference an extract of the key paragraph from the Committee Report, Section 2 is shown below:

In order to offset the impact of these additional traffic movements in The Square, the Applicant explored 3 potential mitigation schemes at this junction, which have largely been discounted by virtue of the potential impact on the character and appearance of the Conservation Area within the centre of Liphook and their lack of support locally. The Local Highway Authority recommended that a solution to mitigate the traffic impacts of the development was to secure a financial contribution of £1,302,929 from the applicant, which would then be used by the County Council towards the delivery of local highway improvements. These highway improvements would be informed by their current work on a “Liphook Study” looking at the cumulative impacts of developments on traffic movements across the village.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- A. R (9th Jul 2018 - 13:16:13)

Of course, everyone is missing the point here.

We did not need the longmoor development to go ahead. It was always going to bring traffic to the center of Liphook via the Longmoor road. Oh, so throw a million or so at the problem as a sweetener, woopeedo, exactly what will that achieve, a flyover over the Anchor ?

It beggars beyond belief that a proposal at the Bohunt site was turned down which would have kept the traffic away from the center and which would have had a relief road to the Longmoor road.

Oh, yes of course, that ripe old cherry, "it's in the National Park ! " So is everything else South and West of Liphook.

Oh, but let us be ultra stubborn, and NOT help Liphook develop in a more coherent way. Let us blindly stick housing up in areas further out of the settlement causing more and more chaos to what is already chaos.

With the new sixth form college up and running there can only one outcome, more traffic and more pupils on this already busy road.

One day common sense will prevail in Liphook, unfortunately as yet I am still waiting to see it.

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Trevor Maroney (6th Dec 2024 - 20:43:21)

It has been 6 years since I posted this item on Talkback. At the time I was concerned about EHDC's failure to discuss, in open debate, two essential questions on Liphook's housing developments submitted in writing in advance of a Local Community Forum meeting in June 2018.

Regrettably, councillors and officers at the meeting declined to answer these questions in open forum, so when the minutes were published I circulated the questions and answers on here. I was waiting to see how concerned residents responded before addressing the glaring holes in the answers.

The biggest one being why the final report did not draw any conclusions or make a recommendations. At a guess, these might have been in the first 2 unpublished 'technical' drafts which may have placed more emphasis on Lowsley Farm (now named Maple Park) being the most suitable. What did they contain? I believe that the final (and only published) version wasn't issued until after full planning permission for Phase 1 was granted; they refused to release the 2 earlier versions.

Russ's very recent posting on the Reckless and Dangerous Driving in which he highlighted the protection of The Square conservation area reminded me of these unanswered questions.

I was disappointed by the defensive responses I received at that time to this posting. I also failed to realise that I might of been using the wrong platform to communicate this information with concerned residents. I now realise that not many residents use Talkback.

I therefore decided to reinforce Russ's point and see if local views have change over time. I share his views that traffic has considerable increased following completion of Maple Park with its lack of a second entry/exit onto Headley Roads.

I welcome your views.

Trevor

My other posting, following the lack of debate at that community forum, was: "Reasons for lack of Social Housing in Liphook."

Re: Liphook Traffic Survey - Community Forum Question
- Paul (7th Dec 2024 - 18:31:03)

if you put new bye pass in you only put problem of traffic somewhere else and more people coming in and around Liphook.

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