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Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Naughty Local Person with Opinion (11th Oct 2023 - 14:58:25) Keir Starmer (Sir) has today apparently pledged he'll stop local people and councils being able to hold up new housing developments in their area (I didn't read mention of local facilities, just housing) and he will 'rip up planning red tape' to facilitate that. He'll come down hard on anybody, including local MPs who 'stand in the way of that', he'll introduce bullet proof laws to facilitate new housing developments, he'll bulldoze away 'restrictive planning laws' and will support 'state backed companies' (whatever they are, not councils apparently) to build brand new towns on the edges of urban areas, he claimed previous governments had been too fearful of local feelings and that is to stop! With immigration at record levels, 1.2 million known settlers last year, going forward net immigration (excluding those citizens who emigrate) is forecast to exceed the current 650,000 per annum, that we may need millions of flats and houses in the next decade. I wonder therefore if his pledges on new planning laws should be seen as either progressive or undemocratic? See - theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/oct/11/keir-starmer-labour-party-conference-conservatives-rishi-sunak-uk-politics-latest-news

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Peter (11th Oct 2023 - 16:04:14) Let’s stick with the sensible Conservatives. They have the good people of East Hampshires best interest at heart. Keir doesn’t seem to have many policies to speak about and even get remotely excited over. In Rishi we trust!

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Pete (11th Oct 2023 - 16:42:08) Peter- I assume your post is satire.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Re (11th Oct 2023 - 16:44:46) Well we have been here before. When that man Blair took over a country thriving at the end he did a runner and shafted Mr Brown and that was it bankrupt. Took a very long time to recover but we did now we are just about coming round again showing the EU the way things are on the up if this Labour Party gets in we go back years they will bankrupt us again. They have nothing to offer except building all over our country side, no concrete plans to curb immigration no plans to boost the economy or industries nothing to get people back to work.And of course the unions will have a field day. Lived through all the governments since the war no thank you labour.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Sue (11th Oct 2023 - 17:22:49) The latest rhetoric doesn't sound good for our previously rural community in a nice bit of countryside. Kier and Labour talk much. No concrete plans to fix Britain, let's hope that this latest claim is also just another vacuous election bluster.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - passfield resident (11th Oct 2023 - 21:06:22) Re-please can you tell me what plans the Conservatives have to boost the economy. If they have some plans it would certainly be good if they implemented them soon.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Pete (12th Oct 2023 - 08:08:50) Re- Straight out of the daily Fail handbook

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - PR (12th Oct 2023 - 09:08:27) Perhaps Sir Keir Starmer should visit Bordon Whitehill to see the dreadful result of rural vandalism.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Dave (12th Oct 2023 - 10:10:00) I'm a lifelong Conservative BUT will never vote for this Government. Not saying Labour will do any better but the Tories need a kick up the arse and a spell in opposition so they can sort themselves out. Definitely not a case of better the devil you know! This Tory party have broken the country, not the EU. (I voted leave as well, glad we left but the Tories by themselves have mismanaged our exit)

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Re (12th Oct 2023 - 10:25:06) Well Pete first I don’t read the mail, and why is it that you quote the mail every time someone has a different view than you. My view is based on experience and history from the forty’s so a fair few governments. In the dark days just before Thatcher when the unions were running riot I nearly lost my house and business to bankruptcy because the unions blacked any firm that was not union so no deliveries. I can’t see this labour lot any different the unions will run riot again because labour cannot control them if you think that it’s bad now you just wait. Union’s will demand higher wages every thing will spiral out of control and we will be bankrupt again. History repeating itself again. It won’t affect me because I will be long gone but for the younger ones my children and grandchildren and great grandchildren it will be a disaster. We are out of the clutches of Brussels now so we can forge ahead with are own laws and if the EU don’t want to play ball that’s their loss if they come to their senses and trade with us sensible as they could then we all win. We are getting on with trading around the world things are getting better you only have to look around at the way people are spending money even in liphook dining out pubs full at weekends home improvements new cars and that’s the same all over yes you will say but we have poor people but that happens with all governments and that’s what we must strive to alleviate that will be achieved by a good economy and everyone getting back to work. Stop this stupid work from home lark get back into the work place all pull together. Anyway that’s an oldies view have a nice day I believe they say.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - dave (12th Oct 2023 - 11:32:20) @ re, I'm an oldie and you don't represent my view!

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Pete (12th Oct 2023 - 12:35:49) Re- Sorry but the current lot don't seem to be handling the unions very well. Many Pete's' on here, think I may have used the term once in the past but the point is that whatever you seem to say is straight from their front pages. As for your second to last paragraph what rubbish both my wife and I work full time jobs + an evening job and are just, and I mean just, about keeping a roof above our head. I work in a industry that sells to all spectrums of social class and I can tell you for a fact that people with plenty of money are still spending ( plenty of those round here ) but Joe Bloggs on average wage isn't and this will only get worse as more fixed rate deals end. I don't know you and you don't know me, you may be a perfectly likeable chap but you seem to be blinkered to the real hurt people are going through as a direct result of this incompetent, flip flopping, say anything to win a vote party.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - passfield resident (12th Oct 2023 - 13:52:49) Re-just one point-pubs are closing all over the country at an alarming rate-they aren't doing well at all if you look nationally. As to people spending money-look at the figures for consumer spending-I don't think they will supprt your view on that.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Re (12th Oct 2023 - 14:37:15) Well we all have different views so I hope that if Labour get in at the next election it will all go as you labour supporters think but I won’t hold my breath. I just hope they don’t go cap in hand back to the EU because they will crucify us they will grind us down in revenge.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Joe (12th Oct 2023 - 15:17:10) This thread is ironic as for years Conservative Supporters on here have been desperate, and I mean really desperate, to build on our National Park land around here. Why, all of a sudden, just because Keir Starmer is promising to do the same thing is it wrong?

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Pete (12th Oct 2023 - 16:00:26) Joe- I suspect its a mixture of Fear of change, even if maintaining the status quo means going to hell in a handcart, Stubbornness and the inability to see the reality in situations if that reality isn't the same as what was promised. In short the lack of comprehension that one could actually be wrong.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Re (12th Oct 2023 - 16:51:39) Just wondering Pete and Joe were you working when the Union’s held the country to ransom and all private businesses suffered I suspect not. When Mr Blair inherited a thriving country it was great he could spend spend but at the end it all came crashing down we all suffered again. This labour opposition seems the same no mention of how they will pay for everything so really no difference to the conservatives the only thing is the Labour Party is bound to the unions so will have to bow down to their demands because the unions hold the purse strings. Hope that doesn’t happen because it was hell last time black outs , shortages all round no trains or buses if you think it’s bad now think again.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Joe (12th Oct 2023 - 23:09:22) R E my post was about building in the countryside especially the National Park area of Liphook nothing to do with Labours’ past track record. I am a conservative voter myself but do not support the Local Tories in their desires to build there. Now, when Starmer is advocating the same thing is it suddenly wrong?

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Pete (13th Oct 2023 - 08:02:43) Re- No but I am old enough to remember and also old enough to have witnessed both my parents working all hours to make ends due to poor working conditions and pay. This is all besides the point anyway, neither party resembles what they were back then. The Tories have got nastier and more divisive and Labour have veered so far to the right they are no longer even centralist. One thing I can clearly remember is the rampant greed by the few and suffering by the many during the successive Tory terms. You say Labour has made no mention of how they plan to pay for things, as you should well know no party can tell you that definitively until they have their hands on the books, just remind me which party tanked the economy last year and still has members that want to see that nasty incompetent person back in charge. In your previous post you mention Labour left the country Bankrupt. You know as well as I that is rubbish, it was the global downturn that led to that. As for your beef with the EU its going really well since we left isn't it? go on give me a plus point (and not some emotional diatribe about how we are free the the nasty EU with no actual substance. I am not asking you to ever vote for a Labour government but just to open your eyes to what a useless, lying, divisive, nasty and desperate party the current Conservatives are.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - M (13th Oct 2023 - 10:03:18) Going back to the original Posters comment. The Conservatives appeared, and I use that term loosley, to bring in policies that moved some of the decision making regarding planning control to a more local level, although still very much keeping a tight rein on planning policies. One of those policies was to allow local communities a say in planning rules and a say on what and where development should take place. That resulted in Neighbourhood Development Plans (NDPs), and as some of you might be aware Bramshott and Liphook Parish Council are in the process of finalising their own NDP, with it likely to go to public referendum in June next year. So with the announcement by Sir Keir Starmer that he plans to "Bulldoze through planning rules and local opposition to development plans" (even though he actually opposed the HS2 plans for his own back yard camdennewjournal.co.uk/article/hs2vote) where does that leave the B&LNDP? How much worth will it have if the new Labour Government, as I imagine it will be, or at least a minority government, get their way? Or is it just a great sound bite for conference season............. like all politicians tend to spout this time of year?

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - Re (13th Oct 2023 - 10:35:49) Joe sorry for confusion fellow voter. But I’m with you on not building on country side Willy nilly but I’m afraid not about that piece of land that should not have been included in the park it could make such a difference to liphook if it was developed properly anyway that’s another story. Pete you’re a staunch labour that’s your prerogative but don’t decry others for disagreeing. What does come across is the sheer venom of labour voters they seem to get so angry to the point of violence I hope that if Labour gets in that they won’t allow the unions to be like they were last time with flying pickets and blockades stopping people going to work and so much violence.

Re: Labour to Ignore Locals Views on Housing - dave (13th Oct 2023 - 11:25:25) @ Pete, what do you mean? of course brexit has benefited the country, we've got blue passports now!

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