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Proud to be British - Sue (10th Nov 2023 - 17:44:14) The proud British security authorities can now announce that the few meters around the cenotaph will now be safe-ish for British people to be doing British things - well, for a few hours per year.... Who is in command of Britain? Make sure you don't wear British symbols travelling into British cities, or else.... Who is in command of Britain? Free Palestine from Hamas! Free Britain from those who hate it!

Re: Proud to be British - er (10th Nov 2023 - 22:07:51) You ok Sue?

Re: Proud to be British - Sam (11th Nov 2023 - 11:18:30) Going to be pretty tough to get rid of the hate many countries have for the British considering all the horrific things Britain did in the past. No longer an empire, no longer that important, even less so given your decisions on a recent referendum. If it’s not fixed soon it well on its way to being a failed state. However if you did want other countries to not hate the British it actually only takes one thing, just one thing the British can’t seem to get a hold off, and that thing is humility, if the British could show even a tiny bit of it then all would probably be forgiven. This country is full of many good people, sadly just not enough of them.

Re: Proud to be British - BD (11th Nov 2023 - 11:39:25) Sam. I can never understand why people, like you, who are so unhappy in the UK do not move away. .

Re: Proud to be British - Local 1 (11th Nov 2023 - 12:34:40) Sue, you're entitled to your opinions and I stand totally by your right to express them and I'm very proud to be British too, I wear my poppy with pride, but still, could you clarify what you mean by 'free Britain from those who hate it', I'm assuming (I may be wrong) you refer to those marching for a ceasefire in Gaza? I'm hoping anyone concerned will give my opinion a fair consideration too. First of all it's not black and white, Hamas must be destroyed for the long term security of Israel, amongst many other changes, some from Israel, some from the Palestinians, some from the international community, this affects us all, it is our world, but the civilian population under siege cannot be made to pay too high a price for the war aims and all options should be considered, civilian casualties and international law prioritised. Here in the UK the peace marchers will predominately be British subjects and are utilising their lawful right to march as they have for the past month. How would we free ourselves? Ban or deport protestors, do we want to see our subjects silenced and subjected to tyrannies as was in fascist Europe? Those very freedoms so hard won, which we commemorate this weekend? How could we free Britain in this context then? I understand there is a great fear (whipped up by ever more extreme right wing media groups appearing with increasing alarm across the internet). But the police and others (often very pro Israel) have said it was shocking of Braverman to interfere, tyranny is often a slippery, insidious slope, initiated with good intentions. So the decision whether to allow a lawful protest must legally be made by the police and judges, that's the whole point of our freedom. The police say there is no known threat to warrant banning it and everyone for once agrees (wow) that Braverman should have kept out, bowing to the will of those in power is precisely what we should oppose, today them... The police have said the march in Hyde Park to Vauxhall is several miles away from the Cenotaph and easily kept apart and the biggest threat now comes from far right agitators turning up to cause a reaction. I'm sure we can all condemn those threats. Please read the following cold stats if possible. (BUT DISCRETION ADVISED) ....6,000 dead children out of a population of 2,000,000 in Gaza ( an area the size of the Isle of Wight and walled off,most people who live there will never get a permit to.leave ever), many times that number wounded, to put into context, if the Gazan population was the size of Britain it would equate to nearly 250,000 DEAD CHILDREN alone, plus many times more wounded, often terribly, in the last month.... The figure is rising every single day and night, this weekend is still rising, time is not a luxury even as the timing is unfortunate.... For most normal sentient people, it's not about supporting Hamas and their appalling and deeply shocking atrocities against innocent Israeli families, we can and rightly as a nation, do condemn that, the media have condemned that, we all agree Israel has a right to root out and destroy Hamas, nobody here could support Hamas (even if once they did as a political group supported in the past by Israel to become a counterweight to Arafat's Fatah party).. Still the paparazzi will find and photograph some young, furious idiots who are waving a contentious placard, but the vast majority of the marchers will be peaceful as before,it is quite right for the police to decide, not you, me or Mrs Braverman, (we both have Jewish relatives and know how evil Hamas are so I understand her motives, but she is not you or me, she is Home Secretary, a hugely powerful politician), we can all condemn Hamas, we can support our alley Israel defending itself, the land given it by the UN to offer a sanctuary and protection for Jews after WWII, but we must also accept that many reasonable British people do not like the way the current response is panning out, when the IRA carried out atrocities in Britain, we didn't carpet bomb Dublin, maybe we didn't hate the Irish enough, but we still won the peace, despite, or maybe because of that! It is said that more high explosive has been dropped on Gaza than in the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, every single house and block of flats in every street, despite the small size of the isolated and under siege strip can't be a Hamas hideout! How then are the peace marchers haters of Britain, how is the rise of the right wing populist media not the biggest threat to Britain, are we turning our heads away again, remember, today we ban others, tomorrow maybe we are banned, we make dangerous bedfellows in times of great stress, this is the whole point of terrorism, to undermine our normal senses if fairness and our hard fought for safeguards, the right to speak and protest, but could we shut the box once we have opened it?

Re: Proud to be British - Astonished (11th Nov 2023 - 13:03:59) Totally agree BD where do you get all your rubbish from SAM . You must live a very sheltered lifestyle open your eyes this country is thriving especially as we are not under the jackboot of the EU . We are still very much thought of throughout the world and respected. And not like so many other countries we have standards that many throughout the world respect. You will probably come back with your usual dribble and try and justify your rubbish.

Re: Proud to be British - passfield resident (11th Nov 2023 - 17:57:51) Astonished-the use of the word jackboot is just plain ignorant-do you really want to link the EU to the Nazis?You are talking like the moronic right wing/football hooligan types who made up most of the people the police arrested in London today.

Re: Proud to be British - Astonished (12th Nov 2023 - 10:04:38) Yes passfield resident possibly the wrong choice of word but it does feel that we have been liberated from a very heavy burden. We are an island race we trade throughout the world when we joined the common market it was a great thing to trade throughout Europe with no restrictions movement of labour not a problem. But not under the EU complete control of Our country laws and decisions taken away that’s why the people of this country voted out in the referendum they have had enough of the EU interference with running our country. It seems that everything is so much better the heavy burden has been lifted we must now stop paying them the huge amount of money that they are still demanding.

Re: Proud to be British - passfield resident (12th Nov 2023 - 12:04:07) Having seen the effects of leaving the EU and having seen the way the referendum was affected by lies told by some brexiteers, and also having had chance to see how Putin has reacted to a less unified Europe, perhaps the vote would go the other way if it was held again (not that I'm suggesting it should be held again because that would be in a way undemocratic even though I think we made a daft choice)

Re: Proud to be British - StevC (12th Nov 2023 - 14:08:02) Yes, I’m very proud of our heritage BUT, the country is currently broken and no amount of jingoistic nationalism will change the fact that we have a generation of pain ahead of us to repair the mismanagement of this nation since the early 1990’s by disfunctional politicians on BOTH sides of the political spectrum. The nation has a very long way to go before we are Great Britain again!

Re: Proud to be British - Joe (12th Nov 2023 - 14:51:32) Sue, I am very patriotic and I resent the implication that only the far right wing thugs who were in London yesterday to disrupt a peace March, taking place nowhere near the cenotaph are the epitome of patriotism.

Re: Proud to be British - C (12th Nov 2023 - 16:40:23) Having seen the absolute egregious behaviour of some of the right wing protesters over the last 48 hours I confess I feel anything but proud to be British right now. Plus living under a government who feels it’s appropriate to fine charities for helping those homeless people who live in tents. Lifestyle choice? Absolutely abhorrent.

Re: Proud to be British - Resident (12th Nov 2023 - 16:51:57) @passfield resident - no, if we had to vote again I'm aware of a large yet silent majority who would be even more determined to ensure the UK is not involved in the EU.

Re: Proud to be British - Ian (12th Nov 2023 - 18:05:24) Sorry resident, absolutely pathetic! How are you aware of a silent majority? absolute nonsense. There may be a majority, there may not, but what is an absolute certainty is that you do not know what the outcome of another vote would be!

Re: Proud to be British - Joe (12th Nov 2023 - 18:18:18) Resident if it is a “silent “ majority how are you aware of it ? Through the daily mail?? A lot of friends of mine are now very shamefacedly admitting they did not know that the consequences of leaving the EU would be less than perfect they were sold a pup by the newspapers and Boris “ party gate “ Johnson.

Re: Proud to be British - Re (12th Nov 2023 - 19:35:25) Well I for one go along with astonished and resident if there was a new referendum I think there would be a bigger majority to stay out of the EU . Because the EU are on the brink of recession Germany are as good as in already there is a growing discontent among the member countries that it’s all going wrong many would like to follow us . We have weathered the storm that the EU through at us trying to break us but it didn’t work they now realise we are standing on our own feet and we will never go back in . We are now forgeing ahead we can compete with anyone we have the expertise and experience to carry us through.

Re: Proud to be British - Isn (12th Nov 2023 - 20:31:28) @ re. In what areas are we forging ahead? Our health services? schooling? further education? housing? Transport infrastructure? Unfortunately, our experience and expertise seem to be struggling to deliver! Still, we have blue passports now!

Re: Proud to be British - Joe (12th Nov 2023 - 20:47:31) I do not know in what sense Re you think we as a country are “forging ahead? “ please enlighten us ?

Re: Proud to be British - Resident (12th Nov 2023 - 21:19:38) @Joe - sorry to disappoint, but I don't read the Daily Mail. Nice try at making an ill-informed sweeping generalisation though.

Re: Proud to be British - Resident (12th Nov 2023 - 21:25:07) @Ian - how do I know? Data analysis of open-source opinion polls, looking at the trends and position of respondents and the make-up of sample size.

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