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Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - paul (15th Feb 2024  16:37:25) Hi, What next for Sainsburys carpark? A new Timpson outlet building now opening for Shoe repairs, Key cutting, Dry cleaning etc. Maybe a future business in this parking area could be an Arabic Souk (market place), with Belly Dancers to attract shoppers.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Marge (15th Feb 2024  17:30:21) A waitrose, hopefully…

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Joe (15th Feb 2024  18:23:36) I think it is a good addition to the area after all most of the bigger supermarkets have a Timpsons in the carpark. They offer quite a wide range of services not only key cutting, they do watch batteries too.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - AF (16th Feb 2024  04:31:09) As someone who has used a few of the Timpson outlet in various Sainsbury car parks, they do offer a good and useful service but be warned they are a bit pricey.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - John (16th Feb 2024  11:24:05) There was a really interesting interview on Radio 5 Live the other day with James Timpson, the CEO of Timpsons, which is well worth a listen. They are an employee centred business and he knows pretty much all of his employees / colleagues. It looks like a few spaces will be lost in the car park but there will also be more facilities for locals to use. They seem to have quite a few stores in Sainsburys car parks around the country so they must have some sort of national deal with Sainsburys.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - PR (16th Feb 2024  13:21:47) They are also in Morrisons - Horndean for one example.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Richard (16th Feb 2024  13:33:48) And Planning Permission has NOT been granted, and this could drive out another local shop (or shops). People complain that we have no shops in Liphook, but Sainsbury has driven out the other Petrol Station, we have no butcher, who is next?

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - S (16th Feb 2024  14:36:01) I’m sure it’ll do well and I accept competition is a way of life but I shall continue to use Liphook hardware for key cutting, Liphook valet for dry cleaning, they still advertise shoe repairs and engraving, Diskin for phone repairs and PRC for photographic work. I don’t have a watch so not a problem but I reckon if you ask the chap nicely who owns the clock shop…….

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - PR (16th Feb 2024  16:02:20) Richard, Quite correct - EHDC Planning Portal states ' awaiting decision ' so .. Either EHDC are not up to speed with posting decisions or Sainsbury's don't give a **** It's probably who you know that counts.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Local (16th Feb 2024  17:58:57) Nearly as bad as the kebab van taking away trade from business paying high rates.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - PC (17th Feb 2024  12:11:16) Timpsons is expensive, just to replace a watch battery they'll charge you ÂŁ20 minimum (comes with a 3 yr guarantee), I found that ott, buy a watch back removal tool and a two battery pack on Amazon and it will cost you half the price and it's easy to do.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - PC (17th Feb 2024  12:54:01) Apparently there was supposed to be Starbucks going in-store, that was put on the back burner, then it was changed to having Specsavers, now that is not happening I believe. Sainsburys have carte blanche to do what they want as there is no other major retailer in the village which is as cheap but in my view the store is far too small now for the amount of people in the village so perhaps the big wigs at head office should think of some way to extend rather than just adding bits and pieces which don't do a lot for reducing prices. On a brighter note there are a lot more green bananas and the petrol station staff in the evening are a lot more polite and helpful than the day shift who look pretty miserable.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Eric (17th Feb 2024  15:20:45) Watch battery replacement is much cheaper in the cobblers in West Street, Haslemere, PRC do photo processing and film development and any sort of passport/visa photo you could ever need, Liphook Hardware cut keys. That leaves shoe repa.... oh no - the cobblers in Haslemere do that properly. Not much left really. Hope they've brought a book to read. I didn't have a high opinion of Sainsburys before, this makes me even more inclined to go to the Co-op or Tescos.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - er (17th Feb 2024  21:49:59) PC as long as we keep calling it a village there will be no need to provide us with any more facilities, truth is it stopped being a village years ago, if we called it what it is, a sprawling dormitory town then maybe we'd get a little more public infrastructure to go with it.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Joe (18th Feb 2024  10:43:24) Eric most of the services you describe one has to drive to either Bordon or Haslemere. Once you factor in the cost of travel Parking etc in Haslemere and time it takes to get there is it not more convenient to have it where you live? After all if Timsons were THAT expensive would they still be in business?

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Rg (18th Feb 2024  14:20:19) Watchbatterys approx ÂŁ10 picket and pirsers petersfield

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Rob (19th Feb 2024  14:44:25) The bottom line is that it does not have planning permission and should be removed immediately. They should also be fined for breaching planning law unless proven otherwise.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (19th Feb 2024  22:24:27) @Rob. If that's the case then I take it you've reported this to EHDC as any comments on here won't make any difference.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Mick (20th Feb 2024  14:11:03) I’m confused about how such an ugly building (shed?) could be in such a prominent position. It’s just plain ugly.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Daniel Smith (20th Feb 2024  16:13:03) Thankfully there’s a new Tesco express moving into the site across from the Lloyds pharmacy next to the cinema, Sainsburys does need some competition. And also I see there’s planning been submitted for an Zizzi restaurant in the old Lloyds bank building, all very exciting! [editor]Can you give some evidence of planning for Lloyds building - can't find it in EHDC planning portal. [/editor]

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - paul (20th Feb 2024  18:26:55) Hi, Not sure a Tesco Express Store is competition for Sainsburys Liphook. It will be a smaller convenience store, and products expensive compared to a main Supermarket.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Jon (20th Feb 2024  19:45:06) Further to the editor's query, the original application for the Anchor garage was a Cinema, 2 town houses at rear and a restaurant to the east of the cinema on the EHDC portal. Is the alleged Tesco express now occupying this area for retail space, thought there would have to be some form of application, is this all hearsay? Over to you Daniel.

Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - paul (20th Feb 2024  20:09:41) Hi, It would be odd business sense for Tesco to open a store at the said location. The supermarket own the chain of Premier Convenience Stores. Why would Tesco open a rival store in the same village? when they have a franchised presence on Headley road.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Helen (20th Feb 2024  23:03:24) Tesco stock different range to Premier. There’s also a Tesco and a Premier in Haslemere .

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - paul (21st Feb 2024  09:48:37) Hi, Tesco Haselmere do not have an Express convenience store in their town. There is one Premier outlet in Weyhill.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - PR (21st Feb 2024  10:40:08) Off thread, but as far as I am aware the law changed in 2020 which now classifies a Bank building in the same group as a Restaurant, so Zizzi would not need to apply for change of use.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (21st Feb 2024  17:37:37) Well as Rob didn't reply I've just had a look and the planning application for the Timpson Outlet is still awaiting decision, so imagine Sainsburys have breached planning rules as when I drove past today it all appeared up and running? planningpublicaccess.easthants.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?...

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Paul2 (22nd Feb 2024  08:53:37) As this pod is literally not needed (each of the services is already provided locally, which the PC noted in their objection) - who in Sainsbury's is driving for these Timpson concessions? A quick Google search shows Sainsbury's are putting in these pods at a number of stores - and when the local councils refuse PP they automatically appeal and keep going until they succeed. Despite the advantage of a local Sainsburys, if they ignore people's wishes and push this through then they deserve to see customers go elsewhere in protest at their corporate actions. I would happily boycott them over this (and haven't set foot in the store since the works began). I'm just one customer, but I won't see a corporation manipulate their way over the concerns of their shoppers.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - er (22nd Feb 2024  09:54:30) With all the world problems making their way to UK shores, hundreds more houses coming our way and yet the 'community' are incensed about a little convenience shop pod in the Sainsbury's car park looking wrong (it looks alright to me), oh no what will this do to house prices, should it have been another coffee shop, has planning been given the nod, or not (it's not illegal to build without prior planning incidentally), the good burghers of Liphook have found something to be outraged about once more, curtains are twitching, all is well in the first world!

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Joe (22nd Feb 2024  15:02:39) Not all of Timpson’s services are available in Liphook ! - no shoe mending in Liphook which means driving elsewhere. I tried to get a watch battery changed some years ago at the clock shop in Liphook but every time I tried it was closed.

Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - paul (22nd Feb 2024  16:03:22) Hi, I visited The Timpson outlet at Sainsburys today. A welcome, and knowledgeable member of staff. Their services from Key cutting, Passport photo providing, and Dry Cleaners etc, they are good provider. Yes they might not be "cheap", but the convenience, and no cost of travel elsewhere, it is worth it.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Dee (22nd Feb 2024  20:39:27) Hi Key cutting station road, watch batteries clock shop, passport photos PRC London road, all of which are local and have planning. Just saying before the keyboard warriors shoot me down.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - S (22nd Feb 2024  22:12:34) Liphook hardware has a watch battery service

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Joe (22nd Feb 2024  23:39:55) One thing in Timpsons' favour is i think they are open until 6 every day - clock shop certainly is not, nor other shops. And no other place in Liphook for shoe mending( as I have mentioned 3 times before. ) if they are not successful they will close quickly enough through lack of business, so we will wait and see.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - S (23rd Feb 2024  10:22:38) Liphook valet still advertises shoe repairs

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Joe (23rd Feb 2024  14:12:42) They do not do shoe repairs there, on the spot for you they send them off to a cobbler for you. You collect them after nearly a week away.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Daisy (23rd Feb 2024  22:10:25) I can't see what the fuss is all about to be honest. Loyal customers will still use the liphook hardware shop. If you don't like it. Don't use it. Simple.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Faye (24th Feb 2024  21:30:18) I'm indifferent as to whether we have a Timpson's in Liphook now or not, but could they not have plonked it just after the crossing and not just before ??

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Rob (26th Feb 2024  16:49:05) Sainsbury’s are fully aware that they are in breach of planning laws and continuing to trade with no planning permission in place for Timpsons. It is inexcusable for a large PLC with its own planning advisors to act as if is above the law. As such the building should be removed immediately and a suitable fine imposed.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - TheMoanerLucy (27th Feb 2024  15:44:56) I went to Timpsons today to get a new central locking key fob to replace mine which broke before Christmas with no spare to fall back on. Quoted ÂŁ100's by FB and online sites and Fiat wanted me to pay ÂŁ90+ just for the code to the key. I left the fob with them, went to have a lovely lunch at The Links and returned to collect a brand new fully-functioning fob with pop-up key for ÂŁ50 - think what you like, they did the job for me quickly, reasonably, politely and locally. Thanks Timpsons - 10/10!

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (28th Feb 2024  09:57:53) Good to have a positive post. With regard to planning permission many people go ahead with building works that have no planning permission. They then apply for retrospective planning so please don't single out Sainsburys.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (28th Feb 2024  16:58:27) Penny. The whole point of this thread is to single out Sainsburys for a breach of planning rules. They have applied for permission, which in all likelihood they will receive, at the expense of local shops trying to provide the same or similar services. Big business always seems to push out the local shops. We know it's called fair competition but when they blatantly flout planning rules, site the pod and even open it for business before they get planning permission, they do need to be singled out and held to account! If anyone feel aggrieved then report it to EHDC via this link: easthants.gov.uk/planning-enforcement-enquiry-and-complaint-form I have, as I feel it's unfair to local shops and the village as a whole.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (28th Feb 2024  18:45:27) M Either you are complaining about the issue of lack of planning permission or you are complaining about Timpsons taking business away from local shops. Which is it or is it both? With regard to local shops yes I am all for supporting them when they are reasonably competitive. I know their prices cannot match the "big" boys but if their prices are not extortionate I will use them but to give a small example a few years ago I put a couple of horse rugs in for cleaning with Liphook Valet. They were not that soiled but the price they charged me was far more than the rugs were worth. I vowed never to use them again. That is one example and there are others. Local shops will go out of business if they charge disproportionate prices, particularly when hard-pressed families are trying to save every penny..

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - StevieR (29th Feb 2024  17:17:55) Penny, Interested to know if like Sainsbury's I had built my extension without prior or pending planning approval would they have looked so favourably on my project. I think not, considering they were more interested in the position of a small shrub no higher that 1m than the actual application and building proposal. Double standards as usual, but hey ho we all know the outcome.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (29th Feb 2024  17:41:18) Penny. Complaining about both, but primarily that Sainsburys are flouting planning rules. If they get planning permission, which I imagine they will eventually, then I feel for our locally run shops that supply the same sort of services as those that Timpsons do. Large business will always undercut the small operator, until they've put them out of business and then they usually up their prices when they then have a monopoly. In the meantime they shouldn't of sited the "Pod" and they definitely should not be trading. I might add that your put down of Liphook Valet was surely your own mistake. Who asks for rugs to be cleaned without asking how much? I thought they usually ask for payment first anyway? I might be wrong.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (1st Mar 2024  09:37:46) M It was many years ago and as I remember I didn't ask for a quote. That does not excuse the exhorbitant price they charged or the unfriendly response I received when I challenged the bill which was something like "well why didn't you buy new rugs then?". I don't usually criticize businesses on an internet site but I did complain to them directly at the time and they were less than helpful. Since then several other people I know have said how high their prices are. I have checked their reviews and here are 3 of them. For obvious reasons I have removed the names. "Terrible service and hugely overpriced." "Unbelievable clearly doesn’t actually want to do it this sort of work" "So much money down the drain." . I know that reviews do not always reflect the truth because of possible hidden agendas but these 3 echo my experience. So in conclusion M while I try to support local business - Hiscocks is one of them, a briliant little shop - if local businesses price their goods and services too high, yes they will go out of business. The majority of people are having to "tighten their belts" and watch every penny.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (1st Mar 2024  13:36:07) M To follow up on my previous post. Many businesses and people flout planning rules and regs and one of the most common is commencing building works and sometimes completing them without planning permission (an application may be in the process of being processed which I think applies to Sainsburys in this instance.) Planning permission is then sought and in the majority of cases granted. So I repeat why pick on Sainsburys and I also repeat, because it is so important, that Timpsons employ a percentage of disadvantaged people including those with a criminal record. How many other employers do you know who do that?

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (1st Mar 2024  15:11:46) Sorry Penny but in my opinion you're now coming across as clutching at straws. Rules are rules no matter what they are, and a large organisation like Sainsburys should abide by them. I stand by my views and comments and have no need to embellish them with my own heresay views and comments. I wish you plenty of visits to Timpsons ....... they'll likely be the only place left in the village to obtain that type of service in a couple of years.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Question 9 (1st Mar 2024  16:13:12) Editor you have got me again ... I promise myself it is just a light hearted read on issues/ rants in the local community ..but you pulled in again Could not agree more with the convenience argument, the integrity of the Timpson business model it terms of staff and Penny's point about supporting good local businesses. Like most of us in Liphook I am a regular visitor to Sainsbury's and have noticed the position of Timpson may become a potential H&S issue. It is obviously positioned in a relatively high foot fall area to ensure custom, but I have witnessed on three separate occasions drivers looking at the new facility and not the zebra crossing resulting in either shoppers with trolleys or the driver having to take avoiding action. Thus resulting in emergency stops to avoid shoppers, thus potentially the driver behind rear ending or worse a pedestrian being hit. Am sure we will all get used to it in the medium term, but cannot help thinking this is something that the planners may have to consider before it is approved.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - AF (2nd Mar 2024  09:15:17) I do think the location is a bit odd. There are these Timpson outlets in Sainsburys in Alton and Farnham (I have used both). They are at the edge of car park right next to shop, not in the middle of the car park.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (2nd Mar 2024  10:24:23) M You don't have to apologise. You and everyone else are entitled to your own opinions and I am not clutching at straws. You seem to be missing my point with regard to retrospective planning. Of course rules are rules and in a perfect world they should be adhered to by everyone. However it is not a perfect world and big companies and individuals tend to flout the planning system as I have said a couple of times before; they go ahead with work before obtaining planning permission and apply for it in tandem or retrospectively. You and one or two others seem to be attacking Sainsburys as though they are the only company employing these tactics which is not the case and that is my point - it does not make it right but the planning process is sometimes very slow and very drawn out; people become impatient and proceed with works and in some cases put in an application a the same time - this practice is quite common. It doesn't make it right - its a fact, so please stop targeting Sainsburys as though they were the only organisation doing this. I think Sainsburys is a pretty good supermarket and to all the people who have knocked it over the years on this site I would say if you don't like it, don't go there. With regard to your remark about hearsay I was not embellishing my point, merely quoting from 3 reviews with the caveat that reviews can sometimes be skewed.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - S (2nd Mar 2024  10:46:54) The planning application is dated November 2023 and is awaiting decision, my question would be why not just wait for the decision and avoid any backlash? Especially when we saw how fast they built it. There are reduced sight lines of people approaching the crossing but not of people on it or by it, the planning authority have said it’s not a problem in their notes. Again, feels like an issue that could have been easily avoided.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - IGS (3rd Mar 2024  16:17:02) Interesting post I found on LinkedIn regarding Timpsons “ lost my house keys the other day so I was in Timpson's today getting a new key cut. I mentioned to the man working there that I'd heard James Timpson on the radio yesterday and it sounded like a good company to work for. This guy couldn't have been happier to tell me all about it - the ÂŁ2,000 cost of living bonus, the holiday homes for employee use (free for foster families), the ÂŁ500 towards driving lessons after you've worked there for a year. He told me the family are lovely people, John Timpson visited the store recently and bought him lunch and the shop staff all have the CEO's phone number. I already knew Timpson Group had a special employer brand, providing meaningful employment for people who've been in prison and recruiting on personality alone, but it was cheering to hear about it directly from an employee on his own terms. It seems to me that this is a company whose purpose shows up as clearly for customers and frontline staff as it would back at head office, and also that visible, accessible leadership counts for a lot. Another interesting thing James Timpson said on Radio 4 was that the company only has two rules: 1. Put the money in the till, and 2. Look the part (show up on time, don't smoke in the shop, that sort of thing). The rest of it is up to the staff, so they have the freedom to be innovative and do what they need to keep customers coming back”

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (4th Mar 2024  08:11:41) Lovely bit of "cut and paste" IGS and if true then James Timpson sounds a good guy to work for. So are we now saying that because you're a great employer that it's absolutely fine to break the law (planning laws)? Whether James Timpson knows that his pods are being installed by Sainsburys illegally who knows but if he's as good as you're implying I hope he does find out and reacts accordingly.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (4th Mar 2024  10:07:29) IGS Very interesting post, thank you. I too had heard that Timpsons employ a diversity of people. I am afraid M just doesn't get it. She/he seems to have a "down" on Sainsburys and will not accept the fact that many people and many companies apply for retrospective planning for all the reasons I have stated in previous posts. It doesn't make it right - of course it doesn't, but just targetting one local company and calling them out is wrong. M should be trawling all the current retrospective planning applications and calling them out if she/he feels so strongly.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - S (4th Mar 2024  12:16:17) Yes lots of people do retrospective planning but this isn’t retrospective planning, it’s just jumping the gun. Why not wait for the decision having gone down the correct route in the first place and avoid backlash?

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - passfield resident (4th Mar 2024  14:13:36) There is an issue here about the planning system favouring people and organisations who can afford to use planning consultants and lawyers. The process can appear quite difficult to ordinary people who want to improve their houses, but wealthy people or organisations can play the system to get what they want.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (5th Mar 2024  11:13:01) I've had communication from Timpsons regarding their pod at Liphook. They are fully aware that they don't have planning permission for the pod but advise that Sainsburys are in discussions with EHDC and advise they believe they have "verbal permission" for the pod. Funny as I've never heard of verbal planning permission being given, must be some sort of Sainsburys planning rules? As others have said it appears money talks and the likes of Sainsburys/Timpsons can flout the planning laws, chat to the planners and just go ahead without permission. We all know that they aren't the only ones that do this sort of thing (I've never said they were Penny!) and I fully expect that EHDC will give them formal permission but as far as I'm concerned sighting the pod, connecting the services and actually trading should not be allowed and should be reported. I still don't understand why penny thinks my comments on pointing out Sainsburys and Timpsons flouting the planning rules is singling out a particular company unfairly, when she bad mouthed/reviewed a local company for the service they provided. Kettle-black comes to mind?

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (5th Mar 2024  16:05:01) M you do not seem to understand the planning system which incidentally I think is flawed in many ways and can be very protracted and long-winded. Retrospective planning has nothing to do with money and I have never heard of “Sainsburys’ planning rules” (I assume you were being sarcastic) and if anyone wants proof of that, go on to EHDC’s planning portal where there is evidence of many varied retrospective planning applications by applicants from all walks of life. The definition of retrospective planning permission is the granting of planning approval after works have started or completed which is exactly, what I understand from the various posts on this site, Timpsons are doing. I have not been in touch with either Timpsons or Sainsburys so I am assuming that these posts accusing Timpsons of operating without planning permission are correct. The reason I feel that you are singling out Sainsburys on this issue is because that is exactly what you are doing – you don’t mention/criticise any other example of retrospective planning and there are quite a few. With regard to my criticising a local company I was not singling them out and at the time I made my feelings known to them. It was many years ago and the only reason I mentioned it now, in this Thread, was because I was giving an example of how, in my opinion, local shops will not survive if their prices are exhorbitant, particularly in these straightened times.

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - M (5th Mar 2024  16:36:40) Penny. I understand fully planning rules, hence why I feel passionate about this situation. I know exactly what a retrospective planning application is and why it is used, usually because a local planning authority has become aware of a planning infringement, be it via a complaint or inspection. I think you're being very condescending in your points about my motives, I have pointed out many time why I think this is an important point but you keep on about me singling out Sainsburys and Timpsons as if they are some hard done by, holier than thou organisation, which they are not. If I was aware of any other organisation, or individual come to that, who I felt was taking the mickey with regards planning rules I would have no hesitation in pointing it out. I didn't actually start this tread but agreed with the points it made and decided I should look into it myself and make my own judgement, which I have done. I shall leave it there as I think we will both have to agree to disagree and not understand the others opinions..

Re: Timpson outlet Sainsburys carpark. - Penny Williamson (5th Mar 2024  17:22:40) M Regarding your statement “If I was aware of any other organisation, or individual come to that, who I felt was taking the mickey with regards planning rules I would have no hesitation in pointing it out.” My point is that you don’t point it out or even admit that, while we all agree what Sainsburys is doing is bending the rules, there are plenty of other people who do the same. I try very hard not to be condescending and I do not think that Sainsburys and Timsons are some hard done by, holier than thou organisations. With regard to planning they are no worse or better than anyone else applying for retrospective permission so to me it is no big deal. Maybe the answer is to overhaul the planning system. I agree we will have to disagree

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