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Camera - Dirk (16th Mar 2024 - 09:30:55) Does anyone have any idea what the camera is for, high up on the lampost outside Radford Park, saw it being put up on last Friday. points towards the village. Are Hampshire Highways surveying traffic flow.?

Re: Camera - M (17th Mar 2024 - 08:26:39) I believe the Parish Council have agreed to install new Speedwatch cameras on some roads. Extract from the published Parish Council minutes from December: 23.270 AutoSpeedWatch cameras: It was RESOLVED to delegate authority to the Speedwatch team, in conjunction with the Clerk, to select locations for the new cameras. It was additionally agreed that the one remaining SLR would be kept in use and mobile Speedwatch would continue to operate. New volunteers are needed and this opportunity should be promoted. Proposed: Cllr Kirby. Seconded: Cllr Rowson. Possibly one of those?

Re: Camera - Law Abiding Motorist (17th Mar 2024 - 17:27:55) From the Alton Herald: East Hampshire District Council has pledged to buy 20 sets of Speedwatch cameras for use in some of the district’s worst high-speed hotspots. Parish councils applied for the cameras, which will be installed and run in conjunction with existing Community Speedwatch schemes. The first five sets of three cameras have been delivered to Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council, Farringdon Parish Council, Froyle Parish Council, Ropley Parish Council and Worldham Parish Council. The project was driven by East Hampshire cabinet member Cllr Tony Costigan. He said: “It’s very exciting to see this scheme get rolling. We have worked hard to buy the cameras and make them available to parish councils to use. “It is clear that speeding in our towns and villages is a real issue that affects the lives of a lot of our residents.” The war to penalise motorists and generate easy revenue now has a new frontline - Radford Park!!

Re: Camera - AF (17th Mar 2024 - 19:51:24) I thought these speedwatch killjoys just took your reg number if you were doing 32 in a 30 zone and you got a silly letter in the post asking you to slow down, no fine involved. Of course if you went really fast they didn't have time to write down your reg number. But I don't encourage this type of behaviour.

Re: Camera - Adrian Littlecock (18th Mar 2024 - 00:21:28) At times the Banger boys are doing 60mph plus into and from the 30 zone. Hence the camera.

Re: Camera - Law Abiding Motorist (18th Mar 2024 - 10:27:59) @Adrian - and so they should, as the National Speed Limit applies right to the 30mph zone. Not saying it's okay to be above that, but it's the NSL from the 30mph zone and up to it.

Re: Camera - passfield resident (18th Mar 2024 - 10:52:08) Law Abiding Motorist-what absolute b*********. You get a fine if you drive too fast. If you don't want to be fined, keep to the speed limit. As to driving at 60 right up to a 30 limit, again, b*********. You need to slow down so that you enter a 30 limit at 30.

Re: Camera - Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council (18th Mar 2024 - 12:38:34) Just to confirm, this camera is not anything to do with the Parish Council and we are trying to establish who it belongs to and what it is for. We have obtained Auto Speedwatch Cameras for the Parish which will be deployed over the coming weeks and months. Any questions please do contact us on 01428 722988 or by email to council@bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk

Re: Camera - Law Abiding Motorist (18th Mar 2024 - 15:40:19) Oooh Passfield Resident, what anger and vitriol! As I clearly said, there are NSL and 30mph speed limits in place at various points on that stretch of road. Drivers are entitled to drive at the correct speeds at those places. I said that didn't mean they could speed. Sending hugs for your rage - it will be okay, I promise ()

Re: Camera - JBS (18th Mar 2024 - 15:43:31) There is another camera installed on the Longmoor Road, by the roundabout pointed up the hill towards the village centre. The installation was by a company called "Centroconect". I do not know for whom they were working.

Re: Camera - passfield resident (18th Mar 2024 - 16:34:49) Law Abiding Motorist-I wasn't feeling any rage. Patronising people is generally a sign you don't have an argument. I can categorically assure you that you wouldn't do it to my face.

Re: Camera - Law Abiding Motorist (18th Mar 2024 - 16:48:34) @Passfield Resident - touche.

Re: Camera - Adrian Littlecock (18th Mar 2024 - 22:22:41) Law Abiding Motorist. Please read my post more carefully. I said… or I thought I had already in plain English :). ‘At times the Banger boys are doing 60mph plus into and from the 30 zone. Hence the camera.’ Let me put it in simple terms so you can understand. ‘Into’ means they are going from a 60mph zone still doing 60mph (or well above the 30mph speed limit ) into ( in) a 30mph zone. ‘From’ means they are doing 60mph ( or well above the speed limit) while in a 30mph zone before going into the 60mph zone. You are saying this is acceptable doing 60mph ( or well above to 30mph speed limit) while in a 30mph zone? Maybe don’t answer that mate :) given embarrassingly I have just had to explain something my 8 year old could understand :) Pipe up all the Wokes to defend :) .

Re: Camera - Local (21st Mar 2024 - 22:16:27) Spotted another one on Haslemere Road leaving the village by Devils Lane, they have us hemmed in, now no one can enter or leave without them knowing!

Re: Camera - M (22nd Mar 2024 - 11:06:51) Well whether it's Big Brother, Speed Watch or traffic monitoring I'm not particularly worried but would be nice to know. I wonder if it's yet another traffic monitoring scheme to do with congestion in The Square and the housing schemes (large and small) being proposed around the village. If the Parish Council have put feelers out then hopefully they will let all us nosey parkers know?

Re: Camera - Juan (22nd Mar 2024 - 11:21:55) Longmoor Rd too, "We're surrounded"

Re: Camera - C (22nd Mar 2024 - 13:47:58) If you're not doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about. Simples!

Re: Camera - Les (22nd Mar 2024 - 14:51:29) It's also NSL (ie 60mph) right through Bramshott and all the surrounding sunken lanes, most of which are barely wide enough for a single car, let alone two. That doesn't mean it's OK to do 60 or even 30 in these lanes, although many drivers using it as a rat-run seem to do so. I recently had a youngish man tailgating me at between 20 and 30 along Tunbridge Lane - at the church he pulled alongside me and gave me his foul-mouthed opinion of my slow driving. He was looking for a confrontation but he didn't get one.

Re: Camera - AC (13th Apr 2024 - 02:58:51) Not to worry, will soon have this camera down👍🏻

Re: Camera - Joe (13th Apr 2024 - 09:20:38) Did anyone find out who put the cameras up and why?

Re: Camera - Penny Williamson (13th Apr 2024 - 11:31:12) Agree with C. People complain about anti-social behaviour, drug dealing and County Lines, speeding, littering, fly-tipping etc etc. Keep within the speed limit and behave yourself and no one has anything to worry about.

Re: Camera - M (13th Apr 2024 - 17:33:58) Our Parish Council said: "Just to confirm, this camera is not anything to do with the Parish Council and we are trying to establish who it belongs to and what it is for." Have you been able to find our what all the cameras on every arterial road into the village are for, and who put them up? Please do let those of us who are interested know.

Re: Camera - Penny Williamson (16th Apr 2024 - 16:09:23) Hampshire County Council have confirmed that Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council have erected the camera as part of their research to find out where the best places are for a Speed Camera to be sited.

Re: Camera - M (16th Apr 2024 - 17:20:38) Thanks for that Penny. Where did you get your information from as on18th Mar 2024 at 12:38:34 BLPC stated the camera/cameras were nothing to do with them, and they would find out who put them up. Haven't heard back from them since on here.

Re: Camera - Helen (16th Apr 2024 - 17:48:41) London Road end past Tower Rd. is certainly a prime spot locally for speeding and very loud banger exhausts. Lived here for 20 years it currently the worst it’s ever been.

Re: Camera - resident (16th Apr 2024 - 18:47:43) Did anyone expect our brilliant PC to know what is going on ?

Re: Camera - Sam (16th Apr 2024 - 19:35:36) So planning which site will generate the greatest revenue.

Re: Camera - Penny Williamson (17th Apr 2024 - 09:42:33) M Having read your post I contacted B&LPC direct and yes they are stating that the camera has not been installed by them. They have contacted the police to find out if it is a police surveillance camera and are waiting to hear back. I asked the very helpful lady at B&LPC to please contact HCC and ask them stop referring callers to them as this is spreading misinformation. In my opinion if this is a surveillance camera installed by the police then I for one am all for it. In the news and soclal media people are constantly complaining about increased drug use and county lines in Liphook as well as anti social behaviour, including flytipping, dog fouling etc etc so perhaps this is a good way of spotting and deterring the perpetrators. The camera could also be there to monitor traffic and speeding another thing people complain about. Who knows? The installation of cameras does not bother me at all as it is a good way of recording criminal and anti-social behaviour and if people are law abiding they have nothing to worry about.

Re: Camera - Joe (17th Apr 2024 - 13:11:00) Penny if the cameras have been installed by private companies then they are not going to release footage for potentially criminal cases. No statutory body seems to be taking responsibility for these cameras.

Re: Camera - Penny Williamson (17th Apr 2024 - 13:59:13) Joe where have I mentioned the words "private company" in connection with the installation of this camera? At the moment the Parish Council is waiting for a response from the police so let us just wait and see and not make any assumptions.

Re: Camera - Mo (17th Apr 2024 - 14:08:53) Can the cameras be used to monitor the drug dealing in the adjacent lay-by and also the Rec car park? It’s a shame how unsocial behaviour has increased so much since the police left the millennium centre. Every night there’s the local idiot who speeds through the centre with the loud engine and also the clown every morning on the motor bike. What can we do catch and fine these idiots.

Re: Camera - Paul2 (17th Apr 2024 - 14:55:20) So BLPC say the camera is nothing to do with them. Okay, let's take that at face value. To BLPC - where is the Speedwatch camera that you were given during December 2023? altonherald.com/speed-cameras-for-liphook-farringdon-froyle-ropley-and-worldham-657547 From the photo in the Alton Herald, the Speedwatch camera's being held by the Council members looks remarkably like the one near Radford Park. Coincidence? Either way - where is the camera you were given?

Re: Camera - Joe (17th Apr 2024 - 15:02:18) Penny I KNOW you did not mention private companies in your post? I merely pointed out that IF the cameras have not been installed by official bodies ( such as the Police) common sense dictates it is therefore a private company? and then any footage could not be used in taking action against individuals. There was no need to point this out - I did read your post.

Re: Camera - M (17th Apr 2024 - 15:35:46) Thanks for your info Penny, shame that BLPC can't just inform the Parishioners that they represent on a community forum such as this the full situation. You mention "camera" all the time but the concern of many is that it's not just 1 camera but multiple cameras sited on all the arterial roads going into/out of the village. I'm not particularly concerned about being logged in my vehicle going into and out of the village but I do object to not knowing who is logging my movements (if that is what these cameras are for, I don't believe they are speed cameras but admit I don't actually know what they are for). There should be some form of permission obtained somewhere for all of them to be fixed to the lamp posts (do SSE know they have been fixed to them?) and I'd like to see some sort of signage adjacent to them informing who is the owner and what they are for.

Re: Camera - Paul2 (17th Apr 2024 - 16:30:04) I think we need to contact BBC News South and ask them to investigate who is monitoring the people of Liphook .... should be a good story!

Re: Camera - Juan (17th Apr 2024 - 17:07:58) Good shout Paul2, a ladder and hammer will resolve the surveillance issue!!

Re: Camera - Sam (17th Apr 2024 - 18:38:15) They will say these cameras are for public protection such as speeding, crime etc but the reality is they will be used for revenue pure and simple. Fines fines fines and more fines eventually

Re: Camera - Paul2 (18th Apr 2024 - 10:23:50) So - BLPC who received identical Speedwatch cameras to the ones that have appeared state they did not put the current cameras up. We are waiting on BLPC to update as to what they have actually done with the cameras they received. I have contacted Hampshire Council. I have contacted Highways England. I have contacted Hampshire Police. I have contacted BBC Hampshire & Isle of Wight. The cameras may be innocent, but we are entitled to know their purpose, what data or information is being gathered, and who is using them.

Re: Camera - Mason (18th Apr 2024 - 11:09:35) It’s probably some shady developer looking to support a new scheme in some way seeing no one knows who has installed it.

Re: Camera - Bramshott & Liphook Parish Council (18th Apr 2024 - 12:25:58) There has been a lot of speculation about these cameras and it has taken us a while to find out what they are. We now know that they have been installed by the police and they are some sort of surveillance (ATC) cameras. I'm afraid we have not been told more than that. With regards the Speedwatch cameras, we have deployed one on the Portsmouth Road and 5 more will follow over the coming weeks. They will be accompanied by signs and we will also be fitting yellow covers to them. The reason why their deployment has been delayed is that there is a complicated licence system to follow via Hampshire County Council and we also had to seek permission from SSE to install them on their lamp columns. If anyone would like to talk to us about the Speedwatch cameras, or any other matters, please do email us at council@bramshottandliphook-pc.gov.uk, pop into the parish office which is open Monday to Friday 10am - 1pm, call us on 01428 722988, follow our Facebook page @bramshottandkliphook or come along to our residents meeting next Wednesday evening, 24th April; 7.30pm at the Liphook Millennium Centre.

Re: Camera - M (18th Apr 2024 - 16:08:22) Thanks for the information BLPC. You say ATC Camera, I take it that they are ANPR Cameras? In my opinion that's great news. ANPR cameras are only a problem to those with no Tax, MOT, Insurance or who are involved in criminal activities where the vehicle has been flagged. It would be nice to actually see more Police around but these cameras are the next best thing.

Re: Camera - Juan (18th Apr 2024 - 17:20:19) Ladder and hammer it is then!!

Re: Camera - Paul2 (18th Apr 2024 - 17:33:23) 6 x Auto Speed Watch cameras at a trade price (not fitted) of £589 each = £3,584.00. Remember - not fitted or commissioned at those special 'local government' prices. Literally 24x7 surveillance on the movements of one group - motorists. We're such an easy revenue target, aren't we?! One or two motorists above the speed limit - are we saying that's the biggest problem we face? Meanwhile - drug dealing at Bohunt, drug dealing and consumption in our pubs and hotels, anti-social behaviour, break-ins, stolen cars, day drinking, violence and crack heads dealing in broad daylight. Talk about getting your priorities completely wrong!

Re: Camera - Penny Williamson (18th Apr 2024 - 17:37:42) Thank you B&LPC. That is very helpful.

Re: Camera - Paul2 (18th Apr 2024 - 17:45:31) Additionally - there is no clarity by BLPC as to who gets to review data recorded by the Speed Watch cameras which raises issues about privacy and the collection and storage of personal data. Can I suggest people use the following template to write to BLPC to express concerns and confirm that you are not consenting to your personal data being used in this manner. I stress - this is about how your personal data is being gathered, how you are being monitored, and whether you have been properly consulted. This isn't about trying to condone speeding or bad driving. Dear [Council Member's Name/Council Office], I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to you as a resident of Liphook and Bramshott regarding the recent installation of Auto Speed Watch cameras in our community. While I understand the intention behind using such technology to ensure traffic safety, I must express my strong concerns about the implications of being continuously monitored. I believe that this raises significant privacy issues and I am particularly uncomfortable with the idea of my personal data being collected and potentially reviewed by unknown entities. I would like to clarify that I have not, nor do I, consent to my personal data being used in this manner. The lack of public consultation and explicit consent from the community regarding this surveillance technology is troubling. I respectfully request that the council provides: 1. Detailed information on how our data is being collected, stored, used, and protected. 2. The specific regulations and policies that justify this level of surveillance and data collection. 3. Information on how residents can express their opinions about this program and potentially opt-out if they do not wish their data to be collected. The balance between maintaining public safety and respecting individual privacy rights is delicate and requires careful consideration and transparency. I urge the council to consider these aspects and look forward to your response addressing these concerns. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerely, [Your Full Name] [Your Address] [Your Email Address] [Your Phone Number] (optional)

Re: Camera - Bush (18th Apr 2024 - 18:07:05) - Juan (18th Apr 2024 - 17:20:19) Of course. But we no longer live in the middle ages. Have you done your risk assessment? Hamer training and qualifications? Diversity and inclusion?

Re: Camera - Boff (2nd Jul 2024 - 09:42:54) Seeing as HCC haven't posted the promised signs alongside the new 'community' speed cameras. There is one opposite the tower / london road junction as you come into Liphook and one opposite the maltings first entrance / exit as you leave the village. Not sure where the longmoor road / portsmouth road ones are though.

Re: Camera - Editor (2nd Jul 2024 - 10:06:13) One is opposite Victoria Way on Longmoor Rd, it has a sign now.

Re: Camera - Kathy (2nd Jul 2024 - 11:25:02) Have seen sign for the camera in Headley Road.

Re: Camera - er (2nd Jul 2024 - 11:30:46) Yet another one further down Longmoor Road going out of town just past the new roundabout/estate. If these are average speed cameras they should be painted yellow, if they are the other type they should have the bar code grids on the road and be painted yellow, so what are they exactly and why are they not painted? I think it's awful that with everything going on in the world we are looking to add points and paranoia to hard working people's licences, who often have no other way to get to and from work round here, unless you work in a big centre like London, Guildford or Portsmouth and can commute by expensive, time consuming train. Road deaths are a fraction what they once were, cars are unrecognisable from the unreliable, basic things with drum brakes of the sixties and seventies, no ABS or engine braking, no automatic brakes etc sometimes you will all get caught out doing 36 on an empty road, or you'll just be driving everywhere like a para oud old lady who really finds it a chore, gone is the spontaneity of life, coincidentally depression, mental health and suicide are all sky rocketing it's an epidemic of the modern world and millions of lives are being lost, not our priorities, our sacred cows, the law of unintended consequences of the surveillance police state, where the criminals are not the house breakers and thieves, but the lawful, licenced, plated and numbered motorist, the sacred cash cow!

Re: Camera - boff (2nd Jul 2024 - 12:31:41) Thanks I did just see one up by Andy House too. The ones in black by the estate on longmoor road are ANPR based on previous discussions. All three that i have seen have been yellow with no signs, perhaps due to recent installation (benefit of the doubt given for now). Surveillance is surveillance in my opinion regardless of whether you are law abiding or not and is a clear sign of the direction we are heading in. Yes these cameras are not enforcement but they can lead to enforcement. I await the "dont speed and you have nothing to worry about comments" :D

Re: Camera - M (2nd Jul 2024 - 13:15:16) There's one coming into Liphook on the Midhurst Road attached to the lamp post just before the Gunns Farm junction. The ANPR cameras are larger boxes with a definite camera lenses mounted high up on the lamp posts, the BLPC Speed Watch cameras are smaller (approx 10/15cm) square boxes, a reflective green/yellow side and mounted lower on the lamp posts. Big brother is watching us everywhere, most people don't realise how many cameras there are out there now. How many people have a Ring doorbell? It not only records their own front garden but the road outside and your neighbours opposite, who authorises our neighbours to be monitoring who comes and goes to other peoples houses 24/7?

Re: Camera - Orwell (2nd Jul 2024 - 16:44:16) You will need a Police State to make the dystopia that is Modern Diverse Britain work, so they are building it and you can't vote your way out because all the major parties agree that a Police State is required to protect themselves from the mess they have all created.

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