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Hollycombe development
- Mayt (20th Aug 2024 - 08:22:29)
What’s going on at the Hollycombe Estate? Looks like a massive development and roadworks and car parks being installed everywhere.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Editor (20th Aug 2024 - 08:32:45)
From SDNP planning.
Refurbishment, extension and alteration to Hollycombe House including partial demolition of existing western conservatory and reinstatement of historic west wing; reinstatement of historic north wing; reinstatement of cupola; repair and refurbishment of the main house, including internal reconfiguration, restoration/replacement of external material treatments; excavation of southern terraces and construction of a subterranean bathhouse and link with sensitive landform restoration; excavation and construction of two ponds and surface water drainage works in South Park; excavation and construction of a ground source heat pump array at West Park; and implementation of a comprehensive hard and soft landscaping scheme within the Registered Park and Garden.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (20th Aug 2024 - 09:15:19)
The parking goes on and on and on...
They are expecting a massive amount of visitors... what will they be doing there? It must be more than just Visitors looking round.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- liz (20th Aug 2024 - 13:37:22)
I believe the parking is temporary, for contractors, with the valley to be reinstated.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Juan (20th Aug 2024 - 18:49:45)
Just a little extension then!!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (21st Aug 2024 - 10:54:03)
The parking is massive! No way that's temporary, it literally is highway quality!!
I saw online this started with the installation of a heat pump (how green!) and I personally reckon it will end up as multiple apartments.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Carol West (6th Sep 2024 - 20:49:01)
I’ve been passing this site regularly and the parking, which stretches on forever, is beyond what’s needed for contractors. It smacks to me of underlying reasoning in putting in that level of parking. Theres no way that’ll be returned to grass and lawn, as its premium quality parking spaces that’s looking pretty permanent to me. This parking denotes huge development, as in a huge hotel complex, apartments or some kind of venue requiring that level of parking. It would be nice if local people were honestly informed of what’s going on.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave (7th Sep 2024 - 05:00:29)
For goodness sake, look at the planning application on the local authority planning page, it’s all there. So much unnecessary fear and nonsense on this.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (7th Sep 2024 - 09:23:52)
Totally agree Dave, I wish people would just do a bit of research and find out what is happening before spouting "fake news".
The planning application for the main work is here:
planningpublicaccess.southdowns.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?keyVal=S485S1TUJP200&activeTab=summary
There are many others relating to other works.
The applicant, Ropemaker Properties Ltd, appear to be an offshoot of BP Pension Trustees Ltd so if you're really interested they would be the people to ask your questions to.
If you're really intrigued why not go down and speak to the site manager, I'm pretty sure they would answer your questions!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (8th Sep 2024 - 18:27:19)
@ Dave and M - the point is that the works already carried out are inconsistent and a magnitude greater than the items listed on the planning application.
Some of us can read, and have already checked the PP before commenting.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve miller (8th Sep 2024 - 19:36:19)
My. Thank you for the link.
Anyone interested in understanding the history of Hollycombe House over the last couple of centuries, will find the information contained in this planning application quite fascinating.
There is obviously some very serious money being invested in the current development. Does anyone know what use the property is intended for once work is completed?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Pete (12th Sep 2024 - 08:04:13)
Dave- Paul 2 is quite right looking through the plans there is no mention of the acres of tarmac parking that are now covering the north lawn, it is massive so whatever its going to be they are expecting lots of vehicles, should make driving in and around lophook even more of a joy.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Joe (12th Sep 2024 - 10:20:29)
There are postings on Facebook about this and a lady who works at the Hollycombe steam fair swears it is a private individual who owns the place and he will answer questions etc. Obviously planning transgressions must be reported.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve miller (12th Sep 2024 - 14:20:56)
It is obvious that despite the helpful link posted above, few people posting comments here have actually bothered to look at the planning application.
In particular people concerned about the parking provision should read the construction management plan and study the logistics drawing which clearly shows a very sizeable temporary parking area for the duration of the works which are estimated to take around 2 years.
This is obviously a very sizeable (and expensive) project which will require the attendance of a large workforce and numerous specialist sub contractors.
I remain curious about the eventual planned use of the building once the work is completed.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (12th Sep 2024 - 15:20:04)
There is plans for the temporary car park, temporary buildings, truck wash etc etc you just have to read through all the reams and reams of planning papers. It's all been approved.
I think some people are overwhelmed with the scale and size of the refurbishment and can't be bothered to read all the paperwork so decide to shout untruths.
If someone wants to spend that much money refurbishing Hollycombe House then they should be applauded. Any concerns individuals have should be directed to the site manager and the SDNP Planners, not pushing fake news on local social media. I can just imagine what the new owners must think if they happen to read it...... what a load of uneducated nimbies!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (30th Oct 2024 - 14:55:24)
Having passed the Hollycombe development - and spoken to the contractors as the 'brightest crayon in the box' M suggested ...
The scale of the development no longer appears in keeping with what was planned. The car park is permanent, not temporary - and isn't set out as residential. It's a commercial layout (minimal hard landscaping).
There is also now a new 3 storey building being built - it looks like a residential block of approximately 20-30 bedrooms in size.
So my question is this: will this turn out to be a retrospective appeal for a hotel, or to retain as a purpose-built religious facility with on-site accommodation for attendees?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Ian (30th Oct 2024 - 17:27:37)
Paul2. Fake news! If there is a breach of planning (which would hardly be un-noticed or un-reported) then they will simply be compelled to undo their breaches. There is a lot of ill informed ignorance on this development!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (30th Oct 2024 - 17:48:48)
Ian, there is little value in retorting 'fake news' when anyone can see what is going on by simply looking over the hedge.
So come on - enlighten me, what is your take on the development and it's purpose?
It's easy to criticise. Now try being constructive and inform the debate.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Ian (30th Oct 2024 - 18:32:05)
Easy Paul2, do what I did a make a few phone calls to planning office and South Downs national park. Numbers are online!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (30th Oct 2024 - 21:35:34)
Well Paul I'm glad you took my advice, I'll take your "crayon" comment as a compliment, but imagine it wasn't meant as one.
Only thing is you've not enlightened us as to what the site manager told you! Come on, do tell as we're all intrigued as to whether illegal happenings are going on or not?
If they didn't inform you then how about contacting SDNPA Planning and then oming back to us and pass on your findings?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (1st Nov 2024 - 10:18:32)
"Easy Paul2, do what I did a make a few phone calls to planning office and South Downs national park. Numbers are online!"
And do you intend to share what you were informed, or are you leaving it up to others?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve Cooke (1st Nov 2024 - 19:06:00)
But Paul2, don’t you already know what’s going on? Are you not a know all on this? FYI, the information is really easy for you to find out yourself; Then you can be fully informed first hand which will be a big comfort to you.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve miller (1st Nov 2024 - 22:32:20)
I suggest that Paul2 (and any other conspiracy theorists on this site) should read the recently updated Construction Management Plan for this development.
This document is easily found on the link to the South Downs planning portal posted earlier in this thread as it is the first item under the documents tab.
The plan clearly states that the temporary car park will be removed in March 2027 upon completion of the works.
As I have pointed out previously this is a massive project requiring many temporary buildings as well as car parks for what will clearly be a very sizeable workforce. All of this is clearly set out for anyone prepared to look!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- passfield resident (4th Nov 2024 - 15:26:36)
Saw the parking area today. It looks far too big to be for the use of contractors working on the development, and it doesn't look like a temporary parking area. It makes me wonder if once the development is completed or partially completed there will be another (possibly retrospective) application for a use involving parking for large numbers of cars . Planning applications on this scale do sometimes apply for what the planning consultants think might be allowable, then go for more at a later date. In any case, the amount of parking seems too much for the narrow road the vehilcles will be using through Milland/ Hollycombe.I don't have an attitude on this-I just think what is being done isn't immediately obvious to local residents, even if they read all the planning documents.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve Cooke (4th Nov 2024 - 18:22:09)
@passfield resident! Are you a qualified civil engineer or perhaps have experience in project management on the scale of this development?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve miller (4th Nov 2024 - 20:20:19)
Well, not sure about Passfield Resident but, as it happens, I am a qualified Civil Engineer with experience of overseeing projects of a similar scale or rather larger.
I obviously have no idea of this longer term objectives of whoever is behind this project and I guess that people will believe what they want to believe in the end.
I can however point out that, had the intention been to make this car park a permanent installation, the construction detail would need to be much different than the 100mm of hardcore and 60mm of bituminous surfacing described in the Construction Management Plan. The car park as built is unsurprisingly intended to last only for the 2 to 3 years of the project.
The size of the car park doesn't seem untoward to me for a project of this scale given that the site is not served by any public transport and the whole workforce will likely arrive by car.
The CMP makes clear that access is intended to come off the A3 and pass through Liphook so any additional traffic in Milland should not be significant
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Re: Hollycombe development
- passfield resident (4th Nov 2024 - 20:22:49)
Sorry-didn't realise this thread was only for those professionally qualified to take part
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve Cooke (5th Nov 2024 - 09:47:58)
@passfield resident. If you put yourself out there by making silly statements and spouting nonsense don’t be surprised if your capacity for debate on this topic is questioned. This thread really highlights how ill informed and ignorant online debate can be.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- passfield resident (5th Nov 2024 - 10:40:51)
Mr Cooke-your capacity for reasoned debate is limited as shown by how quickly your argument becomes insulting. How many parking spaces are there at this development? I assume you know. If even half of them were going to be in use at any given time by people working on the development that would entail a large increase in traffic passing through Liphook at peak times. I found your comments on the way the car parking has been constructed informative, and was inclined to think I may have been mistaken, but I don't do online insults. I can guarentee you wouldn't if we met in person-it's too easy (and cowardly) to insult people online.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- passfield resident (5th Nov 2024 - 11:03:08)
I've mixed up Steve Miller and Steve Cooke. Thanks to Steve Miller for the information on the car park.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve Cooke (5th Nov 2024 - 11:10:34)
@passield resident. I didn’t make any comment about the construction of the car park…….thank you for confirming one of my observations though about the quality of some of the contributions to this debate!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (5th Nov 2024 - 11:50:09)
It’s telling how quickly some here label concerns as ‘uninformed’ without doing the very research they demand of others. Among the 234 documents on this project, there’s specific cause for concern - something those eager to dismiss might uncover by digging deeper.
If the self-proclaimed experts genuinely want the full picture, they’d benefit from reading the documents as closely as they expect others to. They might then understand why that key question about the property’s long-term intentions isn’t just valid - it’s necessary.
And before anyone asks what this concern is: that’s exactly the point. If you’re truly invested in understanding what’s happening here, it’s all there - waiting to be uncovered by those willing to apply critical thinking rather than those willing to insult others.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve Cooke (5th Nov 2024 - 13:00:24)
Ha ha Paul2, trying to smokescreen your own mischievous scaremongering, unfortunately you’re too well known on this site to fool anyone!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (5th Nov 2024 - 16:07:58)
Dismissing legitimate concerns doesn’t make them any less valid. If you can’t contribute without resorting to insults, it just sidesteps the real discussion and doesn't merit further response.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (5th Nov 2024 - 17:20:48)
I think having concerns about what MIGHT happen and having concerns about what IS happening are two different things.
At this moment in time what IS happening is all fully documented and has full planning permission.
On the other hand what MIGHT happen to Hollycombe House when it's finished in a couple of years only the owner knows.
We can all spout our own thoughts and unsubstantiated claims but until we hear it from the owner we will never know.
For those with concerns about what MIGHT happen maybe try and get in touch with the new owner and see if you can get some answers?
Maybe if the new owner has been directed to this site then maybe they can enlighten us all on their long term plans for Hollycombe House?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Steve miller (8th Nov 2024 - 13:44:57)
Well it seems that I need to eat humble pie and apologise to a number of people on this thread.
I decided to get on my bike and go and look at the Hollycombe development,. I clearly should have done this before posting because the parking area is much larger than shown of the drawing forming part of the construction management plan and I am no longer convinced that it is going to be needed just for workforce parking. Indeed some of the bays appear to be large enough for coaches!
I have emailed SDNPA planning to enquire whether they are satisfied that this work is fully in accordance with the planning consent and will provide an update if I receive any meaningful response.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- passfield resident (8th Nov 2024 - 14:07:01)
Steve Miller-good for you. Appreciate your honesty and would be interested in anything you might find out
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Russ (8th Nov 2024 - 14:38:45)
If this is allowed in the SDNP what’s going on they say NO building in the park refused point blank to discuss building on bohunt manor for the benefit of liphook this development doesn’t benefit liphook just makes a mockery of the system.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- er (9th Nov 2024 - 13:02:11)
Drove past today for the first time in ages and glanced over the hedge as we drove past to see what all the fuss was about and was frankly a bit gobsmacked by the scale of car parking and bay markings, it will be interesting to see how this develops (no pun intended!)
Could it be some sort of overflow car park for the Steam Fair? I guess it was sold on after the last chap Mr Hoare died (a guess), apparently he turned it into a really a beautiful, characterful home, so hopefully it will not be developed too much, a boutique hotel might be nice, somewhere to visit and maybe spend a night or two.
Would also provide some useful employment in this growing town for all our jobless teens, dog and cat walking or sitting, caring for the elderly, hairdressing or estate agency about all there is here at the moment, with many more housing estates expected, perhaps we shouldn't get too worked up about a car park😁
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (14th Nov 2024 - 13:01:34)
Firstly, I'm pleased some of you have made the effort to go and look at the scale of the development, as it highlights why I have been asking questions for several weeks now.
Secondly, due to earlier responses I wasn't inclined to be more helpful and encouraged people to find and read the planning permission to see what the problem might be.
As more of us are now becoming concerned and see the potential for (as someone said) what 'might' be planned .... neighbours who were consulted about the initial plans specifically asked if there was a future intention to turn the property into something more commercial. They were informed the owners (a financial company) expected to have 'many friends visiting' (an actual quote in the planning permission) which is why they need such a huge car park. The people who objected and raised these concerns have not had satisfactory answers and the future intentions of the development are still not clear.
Please do keep a close eye on this, as I am. I'm minded of the saying 'if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's probably a duck' anytime I see the scale of the building works.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (29th Nov 2024 - 17:16:45)
(My reply from yesterday hasn't appeared, apologies if it now appears twice).
The planning permission does mention the property owner (it's in the public domain so no issues with repeating it).
The property is owned by Ropemaker Properties Limited, a subsidiary of BP Pensions Fund.
Hopefully this reply gets published. Thank you.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (30th Nov 2024 - 09:24:02)
Paul2.
Don't disagree with you that Ropemaker Properties appear to be the organisation submitting the planning applications but when you read the information the agent describes the "current custodian" as a "he".
I would imagine that Ropemaker Properties would be described as "they"?
Just my observation.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- AAJ (9th Dec 2024 - 05:36:34)
Having done some research, it seems to me that The BP pension fund is investing massively in commercial property and build to rent with multiple units. Ropemaker Properties Ltd again appears to be an offshoot that does the leg work. Lots of the same people named as directors for both. So I wouldn’t count on this being a rich individual wanting a pleasant country retreat.
I’ve also been doing the diversion around Hollycombe for the last week or so due to the closure of the road at the Links pub and what is very clear to me is that the access there is terrible and actually dangerous, especially in wet weather. The narrow lanes are all churned up and there have been reported collisions on Facebook and elsewhere. Where do they intend to have their access if this is going to be multiple units? Surely not the twisty narrow road that leads from Liphook down to Milland? With the stone walls that often mean gridlock?
I do hope this application is being scrutinised and permission was granted with all the facts and no one was suggesting this was simply a domestic extension?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (9th Dec 2024 - 12:25:01)
Just driven past this development to get to Milland my God what is happening it looks like a new airport or something completely ruined the country side how on earth did this get planned permission in the national parks. The very narrow Midhurst Road is being churning up once a lovely country drive ruined. What ever planning authority passed this they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (9th Dec 2024 - 13:20:27)
Local I happen to know the some of the councillors in Milland. There is NOTHING sinister going on. Why don't you try ringing the Clerk of Milland Parish Council, one of the Milland Parish Councillors or SDNPA Planners instead of scaremongering on Liphook Talkback.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (9th Dec 2024 - 16:50:23)
Sorry Charlie but I’m only stating my concerns like several on this site . As for scaremongering stating a fact on here is not scaremongering that property was a magnificent park land with deer wondering about lots of wildlife now it looks like a bombshell has hit it . Perhaps your mates on the Milland council could enlighten us as to just what is going on because it looks more like a huge commercial development and that taking place in a very rural setting in the national parks does come across as not normal. This site is for just this sort of thing local concerns.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave B (9th Dec 2024 - 16:58:38)
@ Local. This site is increasingly plagued with nosey parkers feeling entitled to mind other peoples business.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (9th Dec 2024 - 17:11:46)
Local Milland Councillors are not my mates as you so quaintly put it. I can but repeat what I said before, please discuss your concerns with either the Milland Councillors, their Parish Clerk or the SDNP planners. Posting on Liphook Talkback achieves nothing. For the record the people I have spoken to have assured me that this is a restoration process and all will be restored back to its original state once the project is completed, so please check with the relevant authorities who I am sure will set your mind at rest. The SDNP are very vigilant and careful about planning in the National Park and all of Milland is in The National Park.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- AAJ (9th Dec 2024 - 19:59:42)
The BP pension fund has a Statement of Investment principles which includes a commitment to generate sustainable long term returns for the beneficiaries of the fund.
So no one is likely to be doing a refurb for a country gent to wile out his days. In my opinion, this is a commercial enterprise, as in their investment principles. Otherwise, it wouldn't be in their portfolio. They do also aim for sustainable investments and zero carbon - hence solar panels, so good news there.
I appreciate the aims but the absolute mess of the site, with water and mud running off the land onto neighbouring roads and acres of tarmac covering meadows, is definitely not in the spirit of sustainability.
I just think that there should be transparency. Why do the councillors at Milland report a nice chat with the developer with no mention at all of how the building will be used? Didn't they ask? Or do they prefer to think its going to be a refurb for a billionaire?
10/04/2024
Three Councillors attended a presentation by the developers regarding the proposed planning
application by the new owner.
• The emphasis was on restoration of both the grounds and the house including:
o Recreating the parkland areas.
o Rebuilding 2 previously demolished wings of the house.
o Restoring the house to its original state.
o Intention to create a carbon neutral property
All these things could be true, but what is the purpose? Could someone perhaps answer the question, is Hollycombe House going to be divided into multiple residential units, possibly built to rent or part ownership? How many people will live there and what will their access route be?
Just asking!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (9th Dec 2024 - 22:15:54)
AAJ thanks for that information. Charlie it seems that there are a lot of people concerned about this complete destruction of a beautiful parkland. There needs to be clarification as to what is going on the national parks need to make a statement. I’m not holding my breath because the parks people have made some terrible mistakes around the country with their boundaries setting causing terrible problems in parish’s liphook as an example mentioned in parliament as an example.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (10th Dec 2024 - 09:20:20)
Always a shame when certain people feel the need to trying insulting others for raising concerns. And whether people like it or not, posting here is permittable and helps inform others.
Central to the redevelopment (irrespective of it's restoration or environmental credentials) is an ongoing yet unanswered concern by nearby residents asking about the longer term intention for the property.
That concern is justified (and remains unanswered), and more so given the scale of the car-park works as but one example.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (10th Dec 2024 - 09:59:30)
AAJ It is my understanding that the property is now owned by a billionaire for his own use and occupancy. A project and his aim is to restore/rebuild the property to its original state and when the work is finished the parklands will be re-instated to their original state.
Paul2 and Local Of course it is only right that in a democracy everyone is entitled to their views and post them where they wish. However constantly posting the same concerns on this site is not going to achieve anything.
Talk to the authorities or do your research as I think AAJ has done and if you are still not happy then that is the time to voice your very real concerns to them. The SDNP are very protective of The National Park and are approachable.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave B (10th Dec 2024 - 13:31:05)
Some, like "Local" need to appreciate they whilst they are indeed entitled to enquire if anyone has any useful information regarding this development, they are not entitled to a response.
The owners of Hollycombe have absolutely no obligation to engage with the general public. It is private property, they have gone through the appropriate planning process and are not breaking any laws (regardless of ill informed opinion).
I don't like it that my neighbour has dug up what was a very attractive front garden and replaced it with a driveway. I have to look at it everyday and I don't like it but.....he was entitled to do it and I just have to live with it. Different scale but the principle is the same
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (10th Dec 2024 - 14:44:41)
DaveB yes I was only inquiring as others. It’s not quite the same this development is in the national park and being so there are very strict laws to abide by . According to everywhere else in the park you can’t just bulldozer a park that’s been there for centuries if they have permission to do so it makes a mockery of the system. If as they say it’s put back to its former self then I will be very happy that house must have an order on it of some sort as it’s so old. The amount of tarmac put down will take some removing. Funny old thing that can take place in the park with no advantage to the community around but the park authorities won’t let bohunt manor and Northcott land be developed for the good of the community and that’s just waste farm land.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (12th Dec 2024 - 11:30:10)
Dave B Excellent post. Local It is my understanding that the SDNP are considering houses on part of the Bohunt Manor Land. All will be revealed in the emerging and ongoing Housing Development Plan
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (12th Dec 2024 - 14:50:33)
Charlie, what makes you assume that we haven't already raised concerns through other routes including formally?
Perhaps instead of telling people what to do, you might ask and become informed :)
Have a lovely day!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (13th Dec 2024 - 12:56:53)
Paul2 Elementary my dear Watson - the power of deduction. If you had spoken to the relevant authorities as I have done, you would not be posting sentences such as "That concern is justified (and remains unanswered)". You would know the answer which is that the owner is complying rigidly to all the SDNP's planning laws.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dennis (13th Dec 2024 - 13:14:45)
Interesting to see today that they are putting another new access road in below the house. I don't see that on any of the plans.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (14th Dec 2024 - 16:59:58)
After comments from others on this thread I had a look at what is available in the public domain regarding the Hollycombe House development and found this on the Milland Parish Council website.
Milland Parish Council Minutes September 2024
Report by Hollycombe House Senior Project Team Carl Bignall (CB) - Project Director
History
• The property was purchased 3 years ago as a family Home within a commutable distance to London.
• A considerable amount of work has been undertaken to understand the history of the property including a heritage report, detailing the evolution of the building over the years. The vision is to now restore the property to the version that is felt to be most beautiful.
• The project team have worked hard to ensure community awareness including a public engagement evening prior to submission of the Planning Application.
• The team have also worked closely with the planning authority including a pre-application, this engagement was reflected by the approval of the plans with no recommendations.
The Build
• The architects in charge of the plans are the best heritage consultants in the world ensuring that the build is carried out to the highest and most historically accurate standard.
• The owner is equally as interested in the land and the flora and fauna it is home to. This means that extensive work to improve the biodiversity of the area has been undertaken, with positive changes already being witnessed. Projects include restoration of the ponds, rewilding and extensive orchards.
Process
• The owner of the property holds the health and safety of all personnel working on the project as paramount. As a result, the supporting infrastructure is being implemented to the highest
specification, this includes the car park and porta cabins currently visible. The temporary car park has been constructed to the highest standard to ensure the safety of all and to cause the least environmental nuisance to the surrounding area.
• The project continues to be aligned with the planning authority with regular meetings taking place.
• The project has seen a huge investment to address the climate crisis (solar panels, ground source heat pumps), with the short-term intention for the property to be net zero and the long-term intention for it to be fully off grid.
• The project is fully aligned with the approved application, which can be found on the South Downs National Park Authority (SDNPA) planning portal: SDNP/23/04867/FUL
So it would appear it is possibly going to be an individual family home that is being fully refurbished and improved.
Possibly our Parish Council could get in touch with Carl Bignall, the Project Director, and he might be able to come to a BLPC meeting and explain the same to anyone who is interested, especially as the development impacts residents in Liphook far more than those in Milland.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Ian (14th Dec 2024 - 17:40:48)
I hope the humble pie will be delicious!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Observed (14th Dec 2024 - 19:58:42)
Well let’s hope it’s all restored to its original glory. It’s all very well on paper but at the moment it’s not looking too good. But yes we all might have to congratulate the new owners if it turns out to be a triumph.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Fred (19th Dec 2024 - 12:20:21)
Billionaires do not become billionaires by following rules, doing the right thing, or living up to their promises. In fact, it's generally the opposite, which is why most people do not become billionaires. Do a Google search for "Psychology’s Dark Triad and the Billionaire Class". Billionaires will say what is necessary to get their way at the time, and will u-turn at the drop of a hat in order to further to reach their goals, make more money, gain more influence, generate more power. If anyone believes that the following statements are made with good intentions, then I applaud your trust and lack of cynicism, and I also kind of envy your naivety:
- The vision is to now restore the property to the version that is felt to be most beautiful.
- The architects in charge of the plans are the best heritage consultants in the world
- The owner is equally as interested in the land and the flora and fauna it is home to
- The short-term intention [is] for the property to be net zero and the long-term intention for it to be fully off grid
Anyone believing all of that just because it's written in a planning document, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave B (19th Dec 2024 - 12:58:04)
This thread is going around in circles now. The conspiracy theorists will never be convinced, ultimately, time will tell and we will all see for ourselves when the project is finished.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (20th Dec 2024 - 11:13:35)
Don't think anyone is questioning the quality of the works and restoration - most would applaud it.
What is in question, is it's future intended use and the lack of clarity by the owners (BP Pensions) on that specific question.
According to Dave asking a question like that makes me a conspiracy theorist. But I don't blame Dave - I don't know him - as there are many in society now who like to shut down discussion and counter-argument by throwing tropes around.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave B (20th Dec 2024 - 15:42:33)
@Paul2, Why do you think you are entitled to a response to your "What is in question, is it's future intended use and the lack of clarity by the owners (BP Pensions) on that specific question."
Why is is any of your business? Its private land, they have gone through the legitimate planning process and despite their wealth, will be subject to planning enforcement, compliance inspections and more building regulations than you can imagine. If you think rules have been broken raise an official complaint at authority level
I suspect a lot of the speculation is from those (like Gareth Rees; see Liphook Community thread on Facebook) who are just full of envy and bitterness about the wealth of others.
Paul2 , you really are not entitled to any answers.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (20th Dec 2024 - 16:19:30)
Dave B ok it’s none of our concern because it’s out of liphook so doesn’t really affect us . But as for building regulations it’s a laugh money talks look at all the developments in liphook not one have benefited liphook no infrastructure all the money given to EHDC has been spent elsewhere. No roads put in to take traffic away from the square even when the were recommended. So have absolutely no faith in regulation by councils or in this case the national parks people.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Charlie (20th Dec 2024 - 16:48:06)
@Local You have misunderstood Dave B's post which I think was excellent. He was not implying that it is none of our concern because this development is not in Liphook - he was simply stating that this is an application from a private individual not a development company such as Crest Nicholson or Berkeley Homes whose developments will affect infrastructure. You mention EHDC - this development is not under the remit of EHDC. It is wholly in The South Downs National Park and therefore under their planning authority and I can assure you they are draconian when it comes to planning permission and regulations in The Park. So far the applicant has complied with all the rules and regulations and this development will be monitored very, very carefully by the SDNPA. I think I have to agree with Dave B when he says "I suspect a lot of the speculation is from those (like Gareth Rees; see Liphook Community thread on Facebook) who are just full of envy and bitterness about the wealth of others." The whiff of envy is definitely getting stronger. The mantra of the Labour party is also evident in this Thread ie "if everyone can't have it, no one shall, however hard they work".
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (20th Dec 2024 - 17:11:53)
Good luck to the new owners of Hollycombe House and hope what ever the end use is it's going to be a wonderful place.
I'm still a little unsure who the actual owners are.
Yes the planning permissions are from an Agent for Ropemaker Properties (a wholly owner subsidiary of BP Pension Scheme) but some information in the public domain states a "he" as the current "custodian".
I know that BLPC read Liphook Talkback so I wonder if they, on behalf of interested Liphookians, would consider contacting the current project manager (see previous posts) and arranging a public meeting (Planning meeting?) where he can discuss, and answer public questions, about the plans, progress and impact the refurbishment of Hollycombe House has on the residents of Liphook. He did it for Milland Parish Council (Hollycombe House is actually in Linch Parish not Milland) so why not Liphook, especially considering all the traffic/deliveries come through Liphook.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Ian (21st Dec 2024 - 08:40:44)
M, once again as others have said, why do you think that a private owner of a private property should in anyway feel obliged to provide you with any further information?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (21st Dec 2024 - 10:38:06)
Ian,
I am in no way forcing/expecting the owners/agents of Hollycombe House to speak to the residents of Liphook, I'm just suggesting that they are asked to do it.
They have already done so with Milland Parish Council so I'm wondering if they would do the same for Liphook, as I believe their development plans for Hollycombe House actually have a bigger impact on Liphook than Milland.
The owners/agents have no legal requirement to discuss their plans with any interested public, but I'm sure you agree that on paper their plans for the House are more than what could be classed as your standard refurb.
I would see it as good public relations with the local community.
PS: I made a mistake regards Hollycombe House not being within Milland Parish. It appears that the Milland Parish boundary runs along Hollycombe Lane and Hollycombe House is within the boundary, but The Coach House opposite, and Hollycombe Steam Collection, are within Linch Parish. Strange that the planning applications are registered under Linch Parish and not Milland Parish?
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Local (21st Dec 2024 - 10:49:28)
Charlie why do you keep saying I misunderstood I only mentioned EHDC as an example if you read it correctly. Most of us residents of liphook understand the system of planning etc . Yes Charlie you seem to put great faith in the SDNPA but others including me have doubts because of their appalling record around the country with boundary settings etc . And as for EHDC planning in liphook don’t go there. So Charlie everyone has different opinions but don’t treat us as idiots time will tell on this development. If it turns out great and is put back to a lovely park land and a private dwelling I personally will apologise and be very pleased.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Dave B (21st Dec 2024 - 11:49:48)
It is all a matter of scale. M, if you decided to have a big extension of your house involving scaffolding, skips and numerous contractor vehicles, have got the relevant consents and are not breaking any laws or regulations, would you feel obliged to respond to those who demanded further information on a public forum about the detail of those works? If you do think that is right perhaps you can provide your full name and address so we can all come and look at your home.
It seems to me there are a lot a nosey busybodies seeking information as if it is their God given right....The owners (whoever they are....it is no-ones business) quite rightly can ignore, quite legitimately, all requests from nosey parkers
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (21st Dec 2024 - 15:37:44)
Dave B,
If you read all my posts (except the post dated 20th August which wasn't me) I think you should appreciate that I've passed on many pieces of public information for those that are interested in this large scale development.
I have no problem with what is actually happening, and I think my posts reflect that, but I feel that the agent/owner could be a bit more neighbourly and perhaps discuss with Liphook residents their development plans and long term use of Hollycombe House.
I'm sure if you have changed/developed your own property the first thing you did was discuss your plans with your neighbours and try to ensure you don't impact on their enjoyment of their own property? I have certainly done that with any works I've undertaken over the years.
The site manager has already done this with Milland Parish Council and I wondered if they'd be up for doing the same with BLPC? ........and put to rest some of the so called "nosey busybodies" concerns the development is possibly having on the immediate and wider Liphook environment.
Obviously if you don't agree then that's fine.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Ian (21st Dec 2024 - 17:09:06)
M, you are coming across as very entitled. Just because the owners do meet your expectations of neighbourliness does not mean you are right or that they are wrong, it just seems that you are aggrieved they do not need to pander to your need to put your nose in their affairs. At the moment it is an eyesore but remember the Spaniard on the A3? That was an eyesore for decades and no-one knew what was going on, but the site looks lovely now!
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Villager (21st Dec 2024 - 17:41:21)
Just wondering with ALL these 1000s of comments who is actually directly affected by the development 24/7?
Yes traffic is a pain but always is with developments
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Liphook resident (21st Dec 2024 - 19:48:13)
I think perhaps people are worried that something might be going on with the development that’s not on the plans . Yes it’s outside of liphook in a different district but when things go on right on the border it does impact on the closer communities. Example the rumour that the land where the car park is for the dog walkers a little further back on the opposite side was put up to be made into a sangs for the use of the chicken farm and High Field developments and that’s in a different county but impacts on liphook so it not unusual for people to inquire about what’s going on .. probably it will turn out fine and be a lovely country estate and perhaps bring some employment for estate workers.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- Paul2 (21st Dec 2024 - 22:11:08)
@Dave B you keep saying people are 'not entitled to answers'. This is incorrect, and inaccurately interprets public access to planning applications, notifications, consultations and decision transparency relating to all types of planning and development in England and Wales.
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Re: Hollycombe development
- M (22nd Dec 2024 - 09:57:52)
Ian,
As with Dave B we obviously have a differing view so I will agree to disagree.
My previous posts I feel, but it would appear that hasn't come across, are in support of the development and it also seems to be being carried out in a responsible way.
My point has always been to suggest a clear and transparent communication route between the agent/owner and the local community. They have done that with Milland Parish Council so I wonder it they'd contemplate doing that with Liphook?
If you think that is being entitled then obviously I bow to your superior ethics.
Villager,
I don't believe anyone is being greatly affected "24/7" by the development but I know for a fact, having experienced it on a regular occurrence, that Hollycombe Lane/Midhurst Road is being inundated with delivery vehicles (some very large lorries) which are damaging the narrow sections of road and causing long tailbacks at the regular pinch points on Midhurst Road, especially when they meet the Highfield and Churchers School traffic and coaches. I know that the developer has a transport plan in place but more communication and discussion may alleviate any issues in the future. This development is projected to carry on for a couple more years.
Merry Christmas all!
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