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Labour support of the work shy? - Sally G (29th Aug 2024  20:01:16) Would I be right in saying that Labour are only really good for you if you’re in the benefit structure or work in an environment which is part of a trade union? Worrying times seem to be ahead for any honest hard working members of society!

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Joe (29th Aug 2024  20:40:19) Sally are you seriously suggesting that because you are in a union you don’t work hard? I think you need to have a little think about what you said and remember why unions are needed and important. I also think there is no need for another Labour thread, this could have been put in the other Labour thread.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Ricardo (29th Aug 2024  21:12:34) @ Joe, what we should be looking at here is why have Labour bowed to the train drivers Union so quickly approving an increase which brings their salaries up to £75-85k and calling it progress! The trains are automated already and the muppet behind the wheel is only there for show. They then remove the winter fuel allowance from the vulnerable in our community to pay for this increase, is this really right? What next increase universal credits for the lazy and then raise our income tax to pay for it.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Resident (30th Aug 2024  10:51:23) Joe why are unions needed and important, in this day and age with all the employment rules and legislation that is quite sufficient unions are of a past age and cause so much aggravation and damage to our country. They are the cause of so many companies going out of business with strikes and working to rule then nobody has a job . It’s time unions were disbanded then the barons would have to work instead of living a fat life of of the sheep that pay for their life style.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Truth (30th Aug 2024  11:01:00) "Would I be right in saying that Labour are only really good for you if you’re in the benefit structure or work in an environment which is part of a trade union? Worrying times seem to be ahead for any honest hard working members of society!" YES! Our millionaire Knight of the Realm leader is long associated with socialist principles including the redistribution of wealth. As a worked example, data from the DWP suggests the average benefit receipient in the UK can receive anything from £300 to £1,200+ per month, per individual depending on eligibility and circumstances. It's entirely possible an adult on benefits, claiming universal credit and with a low-level mental health condition (e.g. anxiety) who requires some adjustment in housing (e.g. mobility issues) could receive £1,500 per month. So for a couple - that could be £1,000 - £2,000 per month If they had 2 children - that could be an extra £539.16

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Ian (30th Aug 2024  12:48:09) Lot of ill informed ignorance here……and I’m a Conservative!

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Sally G (30th Aug 2024  16:13:35) Sometimes it’s hard to believe that the system have evolved to support the lazy to lay on theirs backs and think of England! And the icing on the cake is that they seem to find willing men to jump onboard time and time again. The country’s is in a very bad place and the hard decisions which need to be made should be on the idiotic non self supporting side of society. And the craziest situation of all is that the recent riots were caused by white jobless British and unemployed/unemployable idiots.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - AR (30th Aug 2024  19:42:05) Giving free money to anybody has destroyed our country.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Oldie (30th Aug 2024  20:12:10) Yes AR should go back to having to take any jobs that are available if you don’t you get NO money. And if you don’t turn up or mess about then you should be turned down for any benefits. We are so soft in this country giving all that money and benefits to illegal emigrants they should be put in old barracks and locked up until they are processed and deported. We are a laughing stock paying France to stop them leaving their shores and they just stand there a wave them off and France demanding more money you couldn’t make it up .

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Truth (31st Aug 2024  10:18:48) "Lot of ill informed ignorance here……and I’m a Conservative!" Brilliant - 2 oxymorons in one post - congratulations Ian!

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Rob (8th Sep 2024  19:44:55) Benefit people,I know of a few,can sit in the pub all weekend,go on holidays to bendorm,if they do that,they can go to work.pure laziness

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Ricardo (8th Sep 2024  20:24:26) The work shy tend to grow beards and breed unaffordable families, this seems to be the way these people live their meaningless lives.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Uc (9th Sep 2024  10:09:50) DO NOT tar all on uc with the same brush , some are unable to work due to health not all lazy good for nothings as you say

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Ricardo (9th Sep 2024  14:17:57) @ uc, there is so much one can say about your reply. Do you by any chance have a beard and push a pram with 4-5 kids trailing behind you? Have you ever considered a training course or rehabilitation program so you could become a more productive member of society?

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Sam (9th Sep 2024  19:08:55) Yeah let’s scrap the unions, let’s leave it entirely to business men/women to decide exactly what we all get, business men and woman know exactly what their workers need. Without the unions we would all be working in unsafe jobs, little or no pay for 16 hours a day, no weekends, no holidays, no time off, no holiday pay, no sickness protection, no health and safety, no insurance, no rights at all, no equal pay, no maternity pay, etc etc etc. Am not even a member of a union, but am not dopey enough to believe they have not delivered anything or as inhibiting our working life. But you ahead, you go and ban the unions and leave all your rights to your boss and see how that goes for you. It’s about time this moaning and crying from the minority (those that voted otherwise) and fairly LOST just get their heads down and get on with life instead of moaning and crying in reaction to everything a tabloid tells them is important.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Not surprised (9th Sep 2024  21:32:33) O dear Sam had another breakdown go and have a quiet time in a dark room. Your having more outbursts lately not making sense be careful with your well-being.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - D (9th Sep 2024  22:05:13) Sam, it was the unions who agreed to Sunday trading, depriving many shopworkers of their Sunday off. I was in a union, useless.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Ricardo (9th Sep 2024  22:24:19) Why do the work shy look homeless and the females always have several children with several different partners. If does seem to be the only thing they have energy for! These career social welfare breeders need to be controlled and measures put in place to protect society from being overcome with these idiots.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Uc (10th Sep 2024  13:18:51) No ricardo no beard no kids worked for 40 years then health went haywire , work 2 mornings a week ,next day can hardy move so please be a bit more thoughtful about replys would love to work 5 days a week 8 hours a day but sadly no more.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - S.Cooke (11th Sep 2024  08:09:45) Let’s face it, here in this relatively affluent part of the country where there are many pensioners on quite healthy pensions that have been recipients of the winter fuel allowance. As with all benefits it really should be means tested and only be made available to those in need! I am lucky enough to get a pension that provides over £60k a year yet I still get the winter fuel allowance!!!! I cannot decline it so I give the amount to my grandchildren, but clearly I and many others like me do not need it!

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Pensioner (11th Sep 2024  11:29:27) Well S cook bully for you dare I say it sounds like you may be one of the lucky ones that are civil servants on fantastic pensions paid for by us pensioners. They say the living wage is around 20k a year makes my 9 look a bit slim . It’s all the wrong way round they should be taking from the highest paid and giving to the lowest and rising the pension to a living wage. We are I think 18 th in the standings for pensions disgusting. Civil servants should have their pensions cut and that money go towards paying a decent pension to the ordinary pensioners. And as for train drivers it beggars belief how they have the nerve to keep striking for more money the next thing the government will do is take away the bus and train passes to pay the train drivers huge wages you couldn’t make it up . Anyone who voted labour must be kicking themselves for believing the lies.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Joe (11th Sep 2024  12:26:30) Pensioner if 9k a year is your only household income then you should be eligible for state support.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - S.Cooke (11th Sep 2024  15:43:02) No pensioner, I was not a civil servant. I was in the private sector, same firm for 40 years. Worked hard at school and university, paid as much of my monthly pay into my pension pot as I could and lived within my means. Yes I was fortunate to have a well paid career but I worked damn hard throughout my working life. I do think your bitterness has made you miss the point of my comment though.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Pensioner (11th Sep 2024  15:57:53) That’s not the point Joe it’s the way the government is going about taking money from the old of this country and giving it to people that don’t need it ie train drivers civil servants and the like. None of this was in their manifesto kept very quiet if they had been honest they would never have got in . It’s Jeremy Corbyn all over again, thought Keir was different but true colours coming out .

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Pensioner (11th Sep 2024  16:57:22) Joe and others the other point pensioners on a very low income that haven’t applied for benefits because they have been to proud and muddled through know have to apply and that is a nightmare for most and 24 pages of very unnecessary questions seeing the reports about it it’s taking anything up to 9 months to get a reply if you’re lucky so it’s again not as the government says. If this government wants to help the pensioners and the worst off they should make things much easier to achieve.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Sally G (11th Sep 2024  18:11:11) If you’ve still got some lead left in your old pencil find a willing young lady and have a few kids, no worries if she has a few already, and have a child or two as you’ll get more in benefits than you were on the pension! I believe a beard is an essential element to fit in the benefit culture and also all children must have different fathers. This would also eliminate the need for the winter fuel allowance!

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Pensioner (11th Sep 2024  20:25:27) Love it Sally G afraid that time has passed. Being serious it’s a disgrace that pensioners are having to fill in forms to claim heating allowance and as for means testing going back to the dark ages. When the government are handing out huge wage rises to civil servants and train drivers it’s disgusting. Ok as S Cooke has said some don’t need it but thousands do so if you receive it you can do good with it as S Cooke said helping others . But the thing is pensioners are being victimised because they can’t go on strike it will come back and haunt the Labour Party. As for my pension yes s cooke I’m on the lowest pension from the government because I was self employed for %75 of my life and worked very very long hours to make a living but it was worth it for my independence. Lucky I managed to pay into private pensions not as lucrative as yours but my point was the people that are on the lowest pension are being victimised by this brutal government.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Offended beard person (13th Sep 2024  00:14:40) Why are people on this page offending the bearded people? I have a beard, come home from working nights to take my children to school. Im not work shy but you are putting me in that category because I have a beard?

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Sally G (13th Sep 2024  19:24:00) Hello offended bearded person, Are you the father of all the children in your household and also are you receipt of state assistance to support and pay for your family? Just checking that the profile presented is mostly accurate.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Joe (14th Sep 2024  11:23:55) Sally - I think everyone who has a child whether working or not is entitled to claim child benefits I think the cut off earning figure is too high though, I believe it should be a lower amount. I am sure a parent will let me know on here the exact amounts.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Sally G (14th Sep 2024  13:20:33) Hi Joe, I’m sure our offended bearded friend will know exactly what they receive for each child and if you have children fathered by others living with you who gets the benefit and how much the different children are worth on the benefits system. Maybe our bearded friend can confirm as others may be interested in his way of living.

Re: Labour support of the work shy? - Bearded friend (15th Sep 2024  09:58:06) Sally G you seem to be very interested in the benefits system so maybe you should do your own research. Correct me if I’m wrong but you give the impression, to believe those that receive any benefit for children are living the high life. I’m pretty sure there is a two child limit on uc but as I only receive the standard child benefit of £16 which anyone parent earning under £50,000 receives I’m not 100% on this.

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