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Reckless and dangerous driving. - paul (30th Nov 2024 - 18:18:26) Hi, I witnessed today, a BMW driver, spinning recklessly at Sainsburys roundabout at midday. I have forwarded the car registration details to the authorities. These guys are showing off their crazy motoring in broad daylight. I have also seen same activity at 3am, from the same location. It is only a matter of time for a local fatality, a passer-by, or another driver in a collision. I would recommend to the local Council, and or Police, a CCTV camera on this roundabout, with 24/7 footage. This could enable the criminals to be prosecuted, and possible confiscation of cars. We need to stop local Liphook becoming at "racetrack" for foolish drivers.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Local (30th Nov 2024 - 21:10:52) Yes have noticed traffic driving very fast around liphook taking no notice of speed restrictions.The 20mph totally ignored especially of the headly road roundabout towards passfield .

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Steve (1st Dec 2024 - 19:19:04) Paul Whilst undoubtedly antisocial and irritating to others, spinning wheels on a roundabout is unlikely to be deemed illegal by a court! Spinning wheels when pulling away too fast from a junction or lights, is deemed not being in proper control of the vehicle and is an offence. These could apply CD10 CD20 CD30 or maybe MS60. Whether or not in the current policing climate they would actually do anything is another matter. The OP would be better off claiming they were offended by it.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Steve Cooke (2nd Dec 2024 - 08:20:55) Unfortunately this behaviour is becoming more common place in Liphook. The arrival of so many social/affordable residences in Liphook has dramatically lowered the social bar in the area and for many of these newbies, disregarding decent behaviour is the norm

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Paul2 (2nd Dec 2024 - 10:33:31) "It is only a matter of time for a local fatality, a passer-by, or another driver in a collision. I would recommend to the local Council, and or Police, a CCTV camera on this roundabout, with 24/7 footage." You mean the half dozen or so £20,000 a pop 24/7 traffic cameras installed quietly by the Council and Police around Liphook in the last year haven't already caught them?! What a surprise!

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - D (2nd Dec 2024 - 11:33:44) This is the result of not being allowed to discipline children at a young age to teach right from wrong.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Pete (2nd Dec 2024 - 12:28:04) Steve - Think you will probably find that social housing has nothing to do with it, more likely rich incomers buying their little darlings cars that are far too powerful. Couple that with a sence of self entitlment and you have the behaviour described.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - JH (2nd Dec 2024 - 13:32:06) Depends what the OP saw - "spinning recklessly". Spinning wheels is one thing. It happens occasionally, especially if the car doesn't have traction control, on our wet, greasy, leaf-strewn roads. If maintained for more than a second or two, it's antisocial and I agree with the editor that it's an offence. Someone's showing off. Spinning the car is quite different, and extremely dangerous in a public place. The whole car spins through 360 degrees or more.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (2nd Dec 2024 - 13:34:07) Been in the square putting up Christmas lights absolutely crazy traffic tail backs on all the roads. Just shows how much traffic comes through the square all day. One little hold up in midhurst road brings everything to a standstill. Much of the traffic is through traffic absolutely no need to come through liphook if the signs at the north junction bypass directed Haselmere traffic to hindhead instead of through liphook it would make an enormous difference. Again if we had the ring roads in place that would also make it better. Our square desperately needs saving.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Paul (2nd Dec 2024 - 16:13:11) Russ we have bypass its called a3 years ago all traffic came through Liphook /liss so think yourself lucky queue be back to petersfield nowadays

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Jon (2nd Dec 2024 - 16:37:48) Good comment Pete, I agree entirely. I seem to recall the social bar dropping coincided with the arrival of Steve in Liphook.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (2nd Dec 2024 - 17:38:03) Paul I have only lived here for 83 years yes I remember counting the cars for fun. Yes when the bypass was built they said we could pedestrianise the square and they put cobblestone in ready but that was as far as it got. From then the traffic has got continuously worse because the bypass caused the side roads to become feeders for the bypass something the "we know best" brigade never thought about. The traffic crossing the square is far more than before the bypass and I should know because I was there as they say . Our beautiful village is being ravaged by traffic and it seems no one’s doing anything about it I’m to old to see anything done about it but it’s so sad.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Paul (2nd Dec 2024 - 22:19:34) i used to drive into Liphook before bypass done in rush hour used to queue sometimes all the way back to due carriageway it doesn't do now so taken lots of car and lorries off road lorries were always hitting bridge

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (3rd Dec 2024 - 11:08:48) Yes Paul it’s taken away a lot of the A3 traffic but the huge increase in side road traffic has out weighed that . The amount of traffic through the square All day is ridiculous as it’s a conservation area and should be protected. Going back to the fifty’s I could ride my pony with my dog running on the pavement through the square down longmoor road to weavers down with no problem try doing that know. Other places get to have ring roads around protected areas so why can’t we . Many years ago HCC highways said the square was at capacity and suggest five ring roads when building applications went in to be incorporated in the developments not one has been implemented. It’s a very sad time for the liphook when traffic rules.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Sensible (3rd Dec 2024 - 18:35:40) Toll roads... Season tickets from Haslemere and Petersfield. Cash only from any other direction. No charge for locals wearing Croc's.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - paul (4th Dec 2024 - 20:03:38) Hi, Maybe as the Liphook Square is an official Conservation area, it could become pedestrianised use only, and enhance our village. That would make the Council, come up with some interesting re-routing of local traffic.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - James (5th Dec 2024 - 02:55:23) By building 2 roads parallel with the A3 and close alongside it southbound from Headley road to the 24 hour services, you could easily create a junction with access to both sides of the A3, using current slip road access existing on the A3. This would relieve the Portsmouth, Longmoor, Headley road and the square of a lot of "through" traffic. It should have been done when the Bypass was built, but wasn't due to costs. This is the true solution to reducing some of the traffic through the square and surrounding roads. Anything else will create an even bigger bottleneck.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Jon (5th Dec 2024 - 08:30:14) Schools should provide transport to pick up students at points outside of the village, so relieving the square of all the vehicles dropping off and collecting kids.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (5th Dec 2024 - 11:50:24) Quite so James but all that’s in the past as said very bad planning. But it still goes on the lowsely park development wimpy 600 houses should never been allowed with just one exit on to longmoor road. The link road between headly road and the new roundabout in longmoor road was the suggested route by HCC around the development allowing two exits for the site and allowing the trough traffic for north and south to get to the A3 from headly road then the headly road could have been severely restricted local traffic only. It’s called forward planning. But the EHDC planning chairman thought otherwise he didn’t want any part of it even after the planning committee ask for it to be discussed and put on hold for further debate think he was in wimpys pocket. And that’s about what’s happened in liphook for decades. If that had got the green light then the other link road between longmoor road and Portsmouth road could have made a tremendous improvement allowing the closure of bohunt school entrance in longmoor road and everything entering the school from the new link road with car and coach parking from the new entrance. It’s not rocket science to think far ahead and plan .

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Charlie (6th Dec 2024 - 14:22:28) Russ with regard to your statement "think he was in wimpys pocket." do you have any evidence of this and if you do you should have reported it to EHDC's solicitor. It is easy to cast aspersions of this site from behind a key board and smear a person's reputation but rarely do key board warriors actually act rather than type.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (6th Dec 2024 - 16:21:04) Charlie it was a very long time ago. I personally spoke at the planning meeting along with several others for liphook. There was considerable disagreement all round especially when the ring roads were presented at the last minute. Many of the committee requested to postpone for further debate as said but it seemed that the chairman wanted to get the application passed that night as he said we must decide this tonight. As for my comment just an observation along with many others. So Charlie planning in liphook has been very wayward over the years liphook has suffered because of it .But as said all in the past but hopefully things will improve for the future.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Charlie (6th Dec 2024 - 17:20:22) Russ I do not think that you understand the planning system. In simple terms an application is submitted to EHDC. If it is within the development area as per the latest local plan then the officers will recommend it by delegated powers. If it is outside the development area the planning officers will refuse it by delegated powers. If it is borderline or contentious and there are enough objections (I think 15 objections have to be received) the planning officers will refer it to the district councillor for the area and ask him/her if he/she wants the application to come to committee. He/she decides on planning grounds whether the application should come to committee. It sounds from your post as though this application did come to committee. It would have been most unusual for a decision on the application to be postponed again and the committee would be asked to vote on it here and now. I think it would be fairer to say in this case that the Chairman wanted a decision to be made.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (6th Dec 2024 - 18:08:03) Yes you are correct I do understand the system. But the contention on the night was the link road should it or not be included n the application that was what a lot of the committee wanted to discuss. Because it was so vital to the future of liphook that’s why some wanted it deferred. Some said they wanted the land for the road set aside one said no brick should be laid down until the land was identified so you can see that feelings were running high. But it all went out the window and liphook lost out.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Trevor Maroney (6th Dec 2024 - 20:57:23) I have resurrected an old posting of mine: the Aitken Report Liphook Traffic Survey, in support of the views expressed by Russ earlier today. Trevor

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Charlie (7th Dec 2024 - 09:50:30) Russ you clearly do not understand the planning system. The committee are only allowed to discuss and vote on the content of the planning application and would not have been able to discuss the benefits/viability of a link road as this was not included in the original application. The Chairman was acting correctly when he would not allow the application as it stood to be deferred for further discussion. It is important to say that the committee could have voted against the application anyway, but they did not. It is called democracy.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Joe (7th Dec 2024 - 12:23:04) Hi Russ I was at that same meeting and it was not quite how you described? The link road had not been included in the original planning application so councillors could not discuss what was not there? It was thrown in as a comment by the public ( I think you did that). In the event councillors voted to refuse the application which was against the planning officers’ advice. This laid the council open for an appeal by the developers, which would have been at great cost to council tax payers. The officers knew there were no substantive grounds for refusal, and it would have been easily overturned at a later stage. After that meeting, all the councillors on the planning committee were sent for “ retraining” as some of them clearly did not understand the issues which arise in going against a planning officer recommendation.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - er (8th Dec 2024 - 01:52:15) Joe, I've never been to a public planning committee meeting, all sounds a bit Orwellian though, I'm wondering where these councillors were sent for their 'retraining', it wasn't Room 101 was it?😂 That'll teach them to vote against the Planning Officer's advice, the fools! Of course there are procedures, there have to be, but seriously, what's the point of having a hearing if the committee can't exercise a free vote based on the evidence they hear at the 'hearing', for fear of the council being sued by the developer or them being sent for retraining? The people plod out to these things on cold drizzly evenings hoping to get a few seconds in which to breathlessly put forward their months of careful analysis, that it might in some way influence the planning direction of their little bit of England, their neighbours watch in awe as old George bravely argues with the chair that he absolutely will be heard and explains that the village is united in it's stance on the new ring road, passions reach near climax (do they, never been to one myself?), but is it all really just a pantomime for the masses??

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (8th Dec 2024 - 13:02:08) Well Charlie it seems you have great knowledge of planning meetings perhaps you’re a councillor. But as you say yes I spoke and mentioned the ring road because when the liphook contingent arrived we were handed the proposals for the ring roads and told that as it was relevant to this application we could have some extra time to study it . So as that was the case they agreed that it was relevant to the application that’s why we felt it should have been set back for more deliberation as it was such an important application for liphooks future (as has been proven) . The chairman could have done so without any problems because the road had an impact on the application that’s the contention. Unfortunately it seems that in many cases the local option is brushed aside. We are only normal citizens but we live here and the local options should take president over everything else. Joe please read above you say you were there your not quite right my memory serves me pretty good as I had to stand up and try and get it all in the 3 minutes you’re allowed think I over ran and they tried to stop me but I carried on regardless because it was so important for liphook. But we failed and now we have the consequences a huge traffic problem in the square. ER your about right.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Charlie (9th Dec 2024 - 13:27:02) Russ as you say you were given the road proposals at the meeting and extra time to study them at the meeting, not to use that as an excuse to defer the meeting. I understand that you were given this extra time. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is always too easy to rubbish those who work in public office and it is my experience that those who complain the most do the least other than get behind a keyboard.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Russ (9th Dec 2024 - 17:02:48) Charlie I have stated we were given the HCC highways ring road information when we arrived and told as it was relevant to this application we could have some time to study it in case we wanted to include it in our statement to the committee so that’s why I included it because it was such a massive thing for liphook to get that road through and then possibly the other one suggested to Portsmouth road that’s what all the people that attended thought. I still can’t see why the chairman couldn’t defer it as the ring roads were only presented that night and it was a massive development to the plan and that’s what a great many on the committee thought. You seem to be very well versed in council matters seeing your posts on other threads so I think we will have to agree to differ.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - Charlie (10th Dec 2024 - 10:01:37) Yes Russ good idea. Let's agree to differ. That is a healthy attitude. Thank you.

Re: Reckless and dangerous driving. - danny (13th Dec 2024 - 14:29:55) Why else would anyone own a BMW? Car was probably still in more control than most of the braindead driving about Liphook.

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