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This government
- Unhappy (10th Feb 2025 - 19:45:53)

The people of this country deserve better can’t the people demand a change in government what can the people of this country do to make a change happen. Is there a process that could be demanded to remove this government because they are totally incompetent and are dragging the country down to oblivion.

Re: This government
- Firework (11th Feb 2025 - 10:12:36)

Maybe bring back guy fawkes they need a rocket up there beep beep beeps

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (11th Feb 2025 - 10:42:37)

Realistically, the only way of showing your approval or disapproval of a current government is to vote them out when you get a chance.

But we are being denied the chance to vote for change through the removal of local elections in May 2025 under the guise of 'devolution'. Some say that's a ploy straight out of the socialist playbook - to deny elections.

So we have to make our concerns known through other - legitimate - channels and continue to call out any lies or inefficiencies with national or local government.

When we are finally given (I can't believe in 2025 we're saying 'when we are finally allowed') our democratic right to vote - vote them out.

Re: This government
- Unhappy (11th Feb 2025 - 11:10:40)

Yes and I would light the fuse. It just goes from bad to worse.

Re: This government
- er (11th Feb 2025 - 14:05:47)

When Boris was PM after winning a landslide vote, we were flying high on the world stage, but along came COVID and then Boris had a glass of wine in his garden whilst working from home one day!

There was uproar, after the peace of lockdown the mood was palpable, the media loved it, everyone agreed that irrespective of cost, he must go, righteous indignation I called it at the time, we went through a charade of leadership clowns, we became angrier, and suddenly someone said we've had enough of the Tories, we want Labour back at any cost and everybody agreed wholeheartedly.

We had an election, we don't care what the cost is they screamed, Labour didn't have a glass of wine in their garden, they're not as rich, we want Labour!

I pointed out, that I had lived through enough Labour governments to advise caution, there would be no silver bullet.

No they all said, forget caution, we want Labour at any cost.

It took precisely a week of Labour rule before the masses started complaining, cost cutting, budgets, Rachel Reeves, immigrants, the Chagos Islands, farmers paying tax, National Insurance, immigrants, winter fuel, budgets, deficits, more immigrants.

We want Labour out at any cost was the new chant!

I think perhaps we get the mediocre to poor governments we deserve, the masses are not clever, but they are certainly a confused, opinionated lot.

On the plus side we only have four more years till we can get somebody else to hate.

Re: This government
- AF (11th Feb 2025 - 14:15:26)

This is what happens when you have an election where the primary aim of the voters is "GET THE TORIES OUT".
Labour are normally useless at governing the country the only redeeming feature is they sometimes have a decent leader who can keep things going, unfortunately Comrade Starmer is NOT a good leader, even his supporters admit he's a bit useless. Although even I am surprised at how badly he has done, and how many people he has annoyed in so short a time.
It is obvious that if we had an election now they would suffer a crushing defeat, but it is equally obvious it won't happen.
We will have to wait until 2029 to kick the useless idiots out.

Re: This government
- Simon (11th Feb 2025 - 14:56:21)

Couldn't agree more. Lets get Liz Truss back in asap.

Re: This government
- Unhappy (11th Feb 2025 - 16:10:10)

Er and AF spot on Boris was the best this country has had since Thatcher the idiots got him out . Still can’t fathom why we have to suffer a useless government that’s ruining the country surely there must be a way of getting them out. I have family that are staunch labour teachers and civil servants but they are totally against this government to the end they have resigned from the labour party that they belong to . This must be the darkest time for Britain if we don’t do something we are going to disappear down the plug hole of oblivion.

Re: This government
- A young person who didn’t even vote for Labour (11th Feb 2025 - 23:50:05)

I am personally quite happy with this government.


They have made their decisions on whether Grenfell stands.
They have scrapped the unlawful Rwanda scheme
They have mostly resolved union disputes whether that be with the NHS or transport
They have fast tracked even more protections for workers rights
They have strengthened environmental policies
They have increased their efforts in tests for HIV

and so much more. Sure, I am also disappointed in a few things but the pros are outweighing the cons by far.

I won’t reply to anyone past this point as I am sure my opinion will be met with backlash and insults instead of a constructive discussion.

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (12th Feb 2025 - 10:24:59)

Spot the troll! LOL!

Re: This government
- M (12th Feb 2025 - 12:23:31)

I am an older person who didn't vote for this government because;

I lived through Labour in power previously who caused multiple financial problems,these were remedied by the Tories and Cameron.

So far we have as tax payers given away huge amounts to unions who repeatedly demanded more,it won't stop there.

We are forced to build more housing despite of the plan already in place.
These developments will not enhance our environment whatsoever.

Migrants are still flooding in, Labour has no meaningful plans and are vague.
Starmer is not a leader he's clearly confused in his role and already has issues within his party.

The NHS is in dire straits,i haven't been able to get a GP appointment for years and as for a dentist many years.
Labour has no plans to resolve this.

As for Rayner she's out of her depth and Reeves is failing miserably.
We're about to have a 7% increase on the energy cap in April, where's Milliband ? nowhere to be seen.

But don't worry we're not taxing the working man they say , just the poor pensioner it seems.

As for the young person who didn't vote Labour, you didn't live through the previous Labour government and it's only going to get worse.

Re: This government
- Pete (13th Feb 2025 - 08:50:54)

I see the economy has grown in the last 3 months as opposed to the predicted shrink today. Just leave that one out there

Re: This government
- Charlie (13th Feb 2025 - 14:56:19)

I wouldn't read too much into that Pete. I agree that 0.1% growth is better than nothing but I think it will prove that much of that small growth was due to Christmas and the increase hospitality sales. However we shall just have to wait and see.

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (14th Feb 2025 - 10:14:29)

Lies, damn lies and statistics comes to mind when I hear "the economy grew by 0.1%".

Real GDP grew by 0.1% over a three month period, mainly because of growth in the services sector in December (i.e. collectively we spent some money - not much - as an economy at Christmas).

Production growth was DOWN by 0.8% in the same 3 months.

GDP per person is DOWN as output per person is falling (i.e. population growth isn't being matched by economic contribution).

The economy has crashed and is burning. Business confidence is zero. Tax is UP and RISING.

Re: This government
- Gill (14th Feb 2025 - 16:26:05)

Give them a chance. They've only been in six months and have addressed so many unaddressed issues. Try not to be so myopic and open your minds.

Re: This government
- Unhappy (14th Feb 2025 - 18:26:37)

Tell us just what issues they have addressed nothing of importance. The very important ones they haven’t done anything about. Except pay out huge wages to people that are already on good money. The very important ones like the boat people coming here illegally and not deporting the ones that get here. They have made a complete mess of everything the usual labour incompetence.

Re: This government
- AR (14th Feb 2025 - 19:21:44)

Re Gill.
He seems to be in a myopic eutopia.

Re: This government
- A young person who didn’t even vote for Labour (14th Feb 2025 - 23:11:32)

Unhappy

The Labour government has deported 19,000 illegals since taking office.

Between 5 July 2024 and 31 January 2025, enforced returns are up 24%, removals of foreign national offenders up 21% and illegal working raids up by 38% compared to the same period 12 months prior.

This is thanks to the Labour government scrapping the illegal Rwanda scheme that cost the tax-payers millions yet failed miserably and redeploying staff.

These figures represent the highest rate of returns seen in the UK since 2018 and include the 4 biggest returns charter flights in the UK’s history, with a total of more than 850 people on board.

Between 5 July last year and 31 January, both illegal working visits and arrests have soared by around 38% compared to the same 12 months prior. During the same period, the Home Office issued a total of 1,090 civil penalty notices. Employers could face a fine of up to £60,000 per worker if found liable.

I would say, Labour are doing a pretty good job. A better job than the Conservatives have done in years.

Re: This government
- M (15th Feb 2025 - 13:02:47)

So if its all so wonderful in your world please tell me when i will get a GP and dentist appointment.

You can do anything with statistics to massage the outcomes, it's a given that it's always going to be a positive if you want it to be.
However in reality nothing changes.

Labour luvvies are in the minority in this area, look at the last election result..

Re: This government
- A young person who didn’t even vote for Labour (15th Feb 2025 - 15:36:39)

M,

Unhappy didn’t mention GP Appointments or Dentistry Appointments. They did mention immigration, the statistics are evidence that Labour are doing a better job than the conservatives when it comes to deportations and immigration raids.

I also didn’t see the Conservatives doing anything to support the NHS or Dentists. There’s a rather interesting article from the BMJ: bmj.com/content/386/bmj.q1491 I recommend you give it a read.

Re: This government
- Local (15th Feb 2025 - 15:58:04)

I don't think you can blame this Labour government for the failed NHS dental service, for the number if illegal immigrants or for the problems in the NHS, the rot set in under the Tories, having said that I doubt Labour are going to magically fix it either.

Maybe it's time we accepted that Britain is no longer world class, those days are gone, we had our Empire from the 17th Century to the 20th Century, the Western Enlightenment which we stole from the Arabic World at gunpoint, we innovated from there with industrialisation in both war and heavy industry, but before that we were a fairly backward, antagonistic little island at the northern fringes of a disunited, combative Europe, we could easily become that once more, frankly if it wasn't for mass immigration this country would die, without immigrants we'd probably have no functioning NHS at all in short time.

The OP proposed that the people of this country deserve better, 'deserve' is a very entitled word, you get what you make. When you look at the schizophrenic way we chop and change our political loyalties, hysterical is the word, I think we deserve very little, we'll probably get exactly what we deserve and don't forget there's 8 billion, going in 10 billion needy folk on the same planet who all need and deserve and want what we once had, dominance, affluence, wealth, superiority.

I can't see any reason why we deserve anything more than they do, money doesn't grow on trees, look at the Trump steamroller, protectionism is the buzzword, their interest above all others, a foreign policy based purely upon self interest, the EU is sinking and I suggest we decide which ship we want to jump onto and that really depends who wants us and can offer us some protection in this rapidly changing world, the question of which incompetent, self serving political group of hedge fund sponsored politicos is in Downing Street is entirely missing the point.

Re: This government
- Unhappy (15th Feb 2025 - 16:10:08)

Young person you are completely being led along the labour path as it happened before they try to make it look as if it’s everyone else’s fault. They tell you what’s good to cover up the bad . As for the illegal migration the people coming here has risen so much that it completely rules out what they have done. The boats still keep coming more and more this government are not doing anything to stop them. As for Rwanda why is it the EU are sending refugees there why was our scheme illegal it was the right thing to do no messing turn them straight round on a plane. We are such a soft touch this government has no idea how to run a country. We are going further and further under they need to go.

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (15th Feb 2025 - 17:18:33)

@A young person who didn’t even vote for Labour

"I won't reply to anyone past this point ...."

Yet you did? And keep replying?

Re: This government
- A young person who didn’t vote Labour (15th Feb 2025 - 21:36:44)

Unhappy,

I don’t see how Labour can be at fault, they haven’t been the majority government for 14 years. I do honestly believe it is the Conservatives fault we are in this mess.

2022 had the highest crossings not 2024, so I would argue the statistics are benefiting my opinion that Labour are doing a much better job.

What EU country is sending them to Rwanda? Rwanda was deemed an unsafe country given their lack of human rights.


Can you tell me something that you think the Conservatives party did well in the last year of their term.

Re: This government
- Joe (16th Feb 2025 - 08:59:06)

In answer to “ a young person” the tories got rid of Liz Truss!

Re: This government
- Unhappy (16th Feb 2025 - 13:18:42)

All I can say is history has proven the outcome. The Labour voters are already not happy so young none voter you will come to see the folly’ of a labour government. A wise old man told me years ago when the labour got in last time he said you will see all the money go out of the country and everything will collapse unions will run riot a lot of it has already come to pass history repeating itself. So young person you will see .

Re: This government
- A young person who didn't vote Labour (16th Feb 2025 - 18:15:02)

Unhappy, can you please answer my questions? What EU countries currently send asylum seekers to Rwanda, and what positive thing in the last year of the Conservative government did they do?

I also never said I didn't vote, I just said I didn't vote for Labour.

Joe, that was 2022 and some people in this community feel that she did a good job and would prefer her over the current Labour Party despite destroying our economy and moral compass.

Re: This government
- Unhappy (16th Feb 2025 - 20:43:18)

Well I’m not up to speed on all that has gone on . But Germany and France were sending and at the time the stopped us doing the same which was very galling. The conservative government were on target with the economy business were just getting going again. They were keeping the unions from demanding huge pay rises. If they hadn’t been so stupid in getting Boris out things would have got even better he stood up to the dreadful EU .

So know we have pensioners suffering terrible hardship farmers the same. Union’s running riot. The economy down the drain. Business moving abroad. Need I go on .

Sorry young person you have your views I have mine you have a life in front of you so you may reflect in fifty years time it may be good it may not but my years of experience have taught me different. We shall see finish posting.

Re: This government
- A young person who didn't vote Labour (16th Feb 2025 - 21:38:57)

Unhappy,

So, here’s the thing, no EU country has sent asylum seekers to Rwanda. Germany even thought about it last year, but it didn’t happen.

Now, let’s talk about the economy. The conservatives were way off the mark. Truss caused a bond market crash and a sterling crash. Inflation hit a whopping 11.1% in 2022, the highest it’s been in 41 years when Thatcher (a Conservative) was in charge.

And guess what? The poorest 20% saw their incomes drop by 4.3% in 2022-2023, while corporate profits soared. Talk about a disparity!

Oh, and did I mention Brexit? It’s estimated to have slashed the UK GDP by 4% in the long run and reduced exports to the EU by a whopping 14%. Not exactly a win-win situation, is it?

Now, let’s talk about the union disputes. Remember when Nurses (and Junior Doctors?) went on strike for the first time since the NHS was founded? Well, that was the right move to resolve those strikes and union disputes. We can’t afford to have our country moving forward at a snail’s pace.

As for pensioners, I don’t think they’re struggling more than anyone else. If a pensioner is eligible for Winter Fuel Allowance, they can get it. And if they’re unwell, there are other benefits they might be eligible for.

And on the inheritance tax on farmers, I agree with Starmer. Figures show that the top 7% of farmers account for a whopping 40% of the total value of agricultural property relief. The top 2% of claims account for a whopping 22% of agricultural relief, costing a whopping £119 million. That’s a lot of money, folks!

So, there you have it. Keep your views, but make sure you do your research. Don’t just listen to GBNews and Twitter. That’s not the whole story.

Re: This government
- Observed (17th Feb 2025 - 13:00:48)

Well reading through this post it seems that it’s leans to dissatisfaction of the Labour government. Just wondering if there was an election now how would it turn out . The labour position in the poles is not good so it seems they would lose out . So what other party would come forward to replace this lot . Looks like we need another Mrs Thatcher to shake the country up and get us back to work . Sorry young person that didn’t vote labour perhaps you could vote labour next time they will certainly need it.

Re: This government
- Charlie (18th Feb 2025 - 13:38:21)

Well said Observed

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (19th Feb 2025 - 10:14:30)

Inflation now up to 3%, it's highest level in 10 months. It was higher than analysts and Rachel from Account predicted - and the outlook is not good.

So much for this Govt 'kickstarting growth' and 'putting money in peoples pockets'.

Analysts now fear the UK is heading into recession, with GDP also shrinking.

Re: This government
- Pmdumb (19th Feb 2025 - 12:43:56)

None of them are fit to run a bath let alone a country
Utter shambles and liars

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (20th Feb 2025 - 08:30:41)

Don't forget we are being denied our democratic right to vote in local elections by the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (21st Feb 2025 - 20:10:23)

And straight out of the Marxist playbook, our Glorious Leader has forced Apple to prevent UK users from encrypting their personal data with Advanced Data Protection (ADP).

This now allows the State to have access to your personal data if they decide to.

If you aren't yet scared of what's happening in the UK, you really ought to be.

Re: This government
- A young person who didn't vote Labour (21st Feb 2025 - 21:18:40)

Was Undecided Now Decided,


The Snoopers Law was passed under Theresa May (a Conservative), I think it is another failure on the Conservative Party and it is a shame on the Labour Party for allowing this.

Remember to check the facts.

Re: This government
- Was Undecided Now Decided (22nd Feb 2025 - 13:59:24)

@ A young person who didn't vote Labour - thank you for your slightly condescending statement.

Some further research would reveal that there is a difference between the intention of the original law, and the over-reach and reduction in personal privacy due to the Labour government making a specific technical request of a US tech company.

Note, I am not objecting to the purpose of the original law.

This is exclusively about how our current Labour ministers have gone further than ever envisaged with the conditions of the law, and ensured the State now has unfettered access to your unencrypted data 'whenever it suits them'. ADP and advanced encryption typically protects user data (including photos, emails, messages, bank statements, health data) - the actions of this government have ensured a lower level of protection.

Observe how enthusiastically our State goes after people who use hurty words online - they now have easier access to the personal data of millions of citizens within the State.

North Korea would love this level of State control and interference in the privacy of it's citizens.

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